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Date: Fri, 27 May 2011 06:41:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Blower design
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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Ernest,=0A=A0=A0 The=A0steel Corvair fan appears to be an early one with sl=
anted blades that =0Awill pump =0A=0Abest in the correct direction (clockwi=
se from your cockpit) but again no=A0OD =0Aor=A0ID......=0A=A0=A0 Perhaps P=
at Panzera knows the Corvair fan dimensions............=0A=A0=A0=0AKelly Tr=
oyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC=
2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=
=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Pat Panzera <editor.conta=
ctmagazine@gmail.com>=0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironl=
ine.net>=0ASent: Fri, May 27, 2011 8:27:59 AM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Bl=
ower design=0A=0AFWIW, the Corvair guys=A0regularly=A0throw away one-piece=
=A0magnesium=A0cooling fans =0Athat are geared to spin faster than engine R=
PM, which is=A0red lined=A0at or a =0Alittle over 5000 rpm.=A0 =0A=0A=0Ahtt=
p://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/60-4-Corvair-Magnesium-Blower-Fan-RARE-USED-/29=
0487866240=0A=0A=0AThey also made a steel unit:=0Ahttp://www.google.com/img=
res?imgurl=3Dhttp://cdn2.iofferphoto.com/img/item/171/240/045/dXva.jpg&imgr=
efurl=3Dhttp://www.ioffer.com/si/gallery%2Bexcellent&usg=3D__0NS_PTSi9_466u=
VWQQCPeDqrmho=3D&h=3D603&w=3D800&sz=3D38&hl=3Den&start=3D50&sig2=3DLJuDUf2M=
yogJNpb5-ArbJA&zoom=3D1&tbnid=3DPriKgVFSlUdxLM:&tbnh=3D158&tbnw=3D218&ei=3D=
mKbfTZntGcHiiAK2xvXKCg&prev=3D/search%3Fq%3Dcorvair%2Bfan%26hl%3Den%26safe%=
3Doff%26biw%3D1066%26bih%3D512%26tbm%3Disch&itbs=3D1&iact=3Dhc&vpx=3D551&vp=
y=3D200&dur=3D1199&hovh=3D195&hovw=3D259&tx=3D177&ty=3D95&page=3D6&ndsp=3D8=
&ved=3D1t:429,r:6,s:50&biw=3D1066&bih=3D512=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AOn Fri, May 27=
, 2011 at 6:06 AM, Ernest Christley <echristley@nc.rr.com> wrote:=0A=0AYes,=
 I did.=0A>Takeaways:=0A>-the fan will flow between 10k and 12k cfm at 6000=
rpm=0A>-the fan will hold together up to 10k rpm=0A>=0A>What I couldn't fin=
d were=A0 any technical drawings to derive dimensions from. =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A=
>=0A>On 05/26/2011 11:59 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: =0A>Ernest,=0A>>=A0=A0=A0 =
You may find this interesting..................=0A>>=0A>>http://www.offroad=
vw.net/tech/wes/fan.html=0A>>=A0=0A>>Kelly Troyer=0A>>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eve=
ntually)=0A>>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>>"MISTRAL"_Back=
plate/Oil Manifold=0A>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=
=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Ernest Christley <echristley@at=
t.net>=0A>>To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>=0A>>=
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 9:44:45 PM=0A>>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Blower desi=
gn=0A>>=0A>>I found the thickness is 37mm (1.46").=A0 I could stack two in =
the space I have if =0A>>the OD is around 10.4" and the ID is just over 6.5=
".=0A>>=0A>>On 05/26/2011 10:39 PM, Ernest Christley wrote:=0A>>> 4Hp is wh=
at I was expecting to spend to get a 10% increase in pressure.=A0 That =0A>=
>>would give me between 15 and 20Hp.=0A>>> =0A>>> Does anyone here work on =
Volkswagens?=A0 They have a fan to cool the engine that =0A>>>looks like th=
e shape I need, but I'm clueless as to the dimensions.=A0 Here is =0A>>>wha=
t I'm talking about:=0A>>> =0A>>>http://www.chircoestore.com/catalog/produc=
t_info.php?cPath=3D109_115_124&products_id=3D3295&osCsid=3Dhclq20d2slrq1qh3=
eec132ii90=0A>>>0 =0A>>>=0A>>> =0A>>> =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>--=0A>>Homepage:=A0 ht=
tp://www.flyrotary.com/=0A>>Archive and UnSub:=A0 http://mail.lancaironline=
.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0A>>
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<html><head><style type=3D"text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></he=
ad><body><div style=3D"font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:1=
4pt"><DIV></DIV>=0A<DIV>Ernest,</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp; The&nbsp;steel Co=
rvair fan appears to be an early one with slanted blades that will pump </D=
IV>=0A<DIV>best in the correct direction (clockwise from your cockpit) but =
again no&nbsp;OD or&nbsp;ID......</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp; Perhaps Pat Pan=
zera knows the Corvair fan dimensions............</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;=
</DIV>=0A<P>Kelly Troyer<BR><STRONG><FONT size=3D4>"DYKE DELTA JD2"</FONT> =
<FONT size=3D1>(Eventually)</FONT></STRONG></P>=0A<P>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine<B=
R>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2<BR>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold</P>=0A<P>"TURBONET=
ICS"_TO4E50 Turbo</P>=0A<DIV><BR></DIV>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial,=
 helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><BR>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: =
times new roman, new york, times, serif; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT size=3D2 fa=
ce=3DTahoma>=0A<HR SIZE=3D1>=0A<B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</=
SPAN></B> Pat Panzera &lt;editor.contactmagazine@gmail.com&gt;<BR><B><SPAN =
style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Rotary motors in aircraft &lt;fl=
yrotary@lancaironline.net&gt;<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:=
</SPAN></B> Fri, May 27, 2011 8:27:59 AM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: =
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [FlyRotary] Re: Blower design<BR></FONT><BR>FWIW,=
 the Corvair guys&nbsp;regularly&nbsp;throw away one-piece&nbsp;magnesium&n=
bsp;cooling fans that are geared to spin faster than engine RPM, which is&n=
bsp;red lined&nbsp;at or a little over 5000 rpm.&nbsp; =0A<DIV><BR></DIV>=
=0A<DIV>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/60-4-Corvair-Magnesium-Blower-Fan-RA=
RE-USED-/290487866240</DIV>=0A<DIV><BR></DIV>=0A<DIV>They also made a steel=
 unit:</DIV>=0A<DIV>http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=3Dhttp://cdn2.ioffe=
rphoto.com/img/item/171/240/045/dXva.jpg&amp;imgrefurl=3Dhttp://www.ioffer.=
com/si/gallery%2Bexcellent&amp;usg=3D__0NS_PTSi9_466uVWQQCPeDqrmho=3D&amp;h=
=3D603&amp;w=3D800&amp;sz=3D38&amp;hl=3Den&amp;start=3D50&amp;sig2=3DLJuDUf=
2MyogJNpb5-ArbJA&amp;zoom=3D1&amp;tbnid=3DPriKgVFSlUdxLM:&amp;tbnh=3D158&am=
p;tbnw=3D218&amp;ei=3DmKbfTZntGcHiiAK2xvXKCg&amp;prev=3D/search%3Fq%3Dcorva=
ir%2Bfan%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff%26biw%3D1066%26bih%3D512%26tbm%3Disch&amp;i=
tbs=3D1&amp;iact=3Dhc&amp;vpx=3D551&amp;vpy=3D200&amp;dur=3D1199&amp;hovh=
=3D195&amp;hovw=3D259&amp;tx=3D177&amp;ty=3D95&amp;page=3D6&amp;ndsp=3D8&am=
p;ved=3D1t:429,r:6,s:50&amp;biw=3D1066&amp;bih=3D512</DIV>=0A<DIV><BR></DIV=
>=0A<DIV><BR><BR>=0A<DIV class=3Dgmail_quote>On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 6:06 A=
M, Ernest Christley <SPAN dir=3Dltr>&lt;<A href=3D"mailto:echristley@nc.rr.=
com" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:echristley@nc.rr.com"=
>echristley@nc.rr.com</A>&gt;</SPAN> wrote:<BR>=0A<BLOCKQUOTE style=3D"BORD=
ER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" clas=
s=3Dgmail_quote>=0A<DIV>Yes, I did.<BR>Takeaways:<BR>-the fan will flow bet=
ween 10k and 12k cfm at 6000rpm<BR>-the fan will hold together up to 10k rp=
m<BR><BR>What I couldn't find were&nbsp; any technical drawings to derive d=
imensions from. =0A<DIV>=0A<DIV></DIV>=0A<DIV class=3Dh5><BR><BR><BR><BR>On=
 05/26/2011 11:59 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: =0A<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite">=0A<=
DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">=
=0A<DIV>Ernest,</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; You may find this interesti=
ng..................</DIV>=0A<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<DIV>http://www.offroadvw.=
net/tech/wes/fan.html<BR>&nbsp;</DIV>=0A<P>Kelly Troyer<BR><STRONG><FONT si=
ze=3D4>"DYKE DELTA JD2"</FONT> <FONT size=3D1>(Eventually)</FONT></STRONG><=
/P>=0A<P>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine<BR>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2<BR>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/=
Oil Manifold</P>=0A<P>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo</P>=0A<DIV><BR></DIV>=0A<D=
IV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif; FONT-SIZE: 14pt"><BR=
>=0A<DIV style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif; FON=
T-SIZE: 18pt"><FONT size=3D2 face=3DTahoma>=0A<HR SIZE=3D1>=0A<B><SPAN styl=
e=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Ernest Christley <A href=3D"mailto=
:echristley@att.net" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:echri=
stley@att.net">&lt;echristley@att.net&gt;</A><BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEI=
GHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> Rotary motors in aircraft <A href=3D"mailto:flyro=
tary@lancaironline.net" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank ymailto=3D"mailto:fl=
yrotary@lancaironline.net">&lt;flyrotary@lancaironline.net&gt;</A><BR><B><S=
PAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thu, May 26, 2011 9:44:45 =
PM<BR><B><SPAN style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [FlyRotary] =
Re: Blower design<BR></FONT><BR>I found the thickness is 37mm (1.46").&nbsp=
; I could stack two in the space I have if the OD is around 10.4" and the I=
D is just over 6.5".<BR><BR>On 05/26/2011 10:39 PM, Ernest Christley wrote:=
<BR>&gt; 4Hp is what I was expecting to spend to get a 10% increase in pres=
sure.&nbsp; That would give me between 15 and 20Hp.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Does
 anyone here work on Volkswagens?&nbsp; They have a fan to cool the engine =
that looks like the shape I need, but I'm clueless as to the dimensions.&nb=
sp; Here is what I'm talking about:<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; http://www.chircoestor=
e.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=3D109_115_124&amp;products_id=3D3295&a=
mp;osCsid=3Dhclq20d2slrq1qh3eec132ii90 <BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; <BR><BR><BR>--<BR>=
Homepage:&nbsp; http://www.flyrotary.com/<BR>Archive and UnSub:&nbsp; http:=
//mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html<BR></DIV></DIV></DIV>=
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