X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-yi0-f52.google.com ([209.85.218.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with ESMTPS id 4995380 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 26 May 2011 14:24:13 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.218.52; envelope-from=rwstracy@gmail.com Received: by yih10 with SMTP id 10so551778yih.25 for ; Thu, 26 May 2011 11:23:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer :in-reply-to:message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding :mime-version; bh=HDFGkNJIMsH46coTcmChpP5B5JurhjlvVcNsQyfyYy0=; b=dPf1uG4YUIBLiJslT20GZrRW9lj8kjNk2eKOld74REMSKVAy76sC3CMECurh+o5TcU Bsq/UTolats4LrkMCGIYn3WhwNSmk8Lz21f0VGlJzfcQFy34SegziphMvqnBOwNkp1u0 l3ECt/kTejWJMf9hUtDfsg/o6H5FRRrLvoAdQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:references:from:content-type:x-mailer:in-reply-to :message-id:date:to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; b=dh6eeUCrKnG8Z0lqluADwuTSXcLijbtHYoGVYNnvlGwxSqf/sNwz/SEC4esmZaxYqG opYOZHIj9rB88NKDiyzD6DvHsdSNBc7Krem7764tmllDwQqCpK5PgspzdTVGl2Z4ZEjy W4w4EsS9zqS9/vTFU6YjvCokeR008ApNWNaYk= Received: by 10.150.183.5 with SMTP id g5mr1273787ybf.348.1306434217246; Thu, 26 May 2011 11:23:37 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [10.0.1.8] (99-197-145-127.cust.wildblue.net [99.197.145.127]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t16sm537206ybe.4.2011.05.26.11.23.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 26 May 2011 11:23:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Blower design References: From: Tracy Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: iPad Mail (8F191) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 14:23:15 -0400 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPad Mail 8F191) Except that turbocharger compressors run at over 50,000 rpm. Easy answers a= re hard to come by. Tracy Sent from my iPad On May 26, 2011, at 2:17 PM, Roger Robertson wrote= : > On 5/26/2011 1:02 PM, Roger Robertson wrote: > Probably the best solution is to hook a new high efficiency electric moto= r to a large existing turbocharger in place of the exhaust system. 10-15,00= 0 rpm is no problem. I have a friend in the electric business that is worki= ng on just that concept for his Lancair - only problem is, he's overloaded a= t work. >=20 > RRR >> Charlie England wrote >=20 >=20 > On 5/26/2011 8:39 AM, Ernest Christley wrote: >> Charlie England wrote: >>=20 >>> Not to rain too much on the parade of ideas, but I'd be fearful that any= thing except a properly engineered blower assembly will consume more power t= han it will add to the engine's output. Much better minds than mine say that= one of the reasons small turbines are so inefficient is excessive leakage p= ast the perimeter of the blades, due to the ratio of the gap area to the ove= rall area of the turbine. >>>=20 >>> Charlie >>=20 >> That is the biggest hurdle to overcome. To overcome the problem the shro= ud must fit VERY tightly. It's a much more complicated manufacturing proces= s, but a significant percentage of the blowers you will find have the top-ha= t on the impeller blades. Effectively, they have a cast in shroud with 0 cl= earance. That was the concept I was trying to tag onto with the "thick cyli= nder with drilled holes" concept drawing. >>=20 >> --=20 >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/Lis= t.html >>=20 >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List= .html