X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm8.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.78] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with SMTP id 4983057 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 13 May 2011 18:34:33 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.78; envelope-from=dwayneparkinson@yahoo.com Received: from [98.139.91.62] by nm8.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2011 22:33:59 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.23] by tm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2011 22:33:59 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1023.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 13 May 2011 22:33:59 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 592653.56930.bm@omp1023.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 46647 invoked by uid 60001); 13 May 2011 22:33:59 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1305326039; bh=FLkR8Qt8KX39RrdTlngUlnswN6z3CqZoOF5Hic3CoZc=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=OooOcqb0m70WksCbpFpLkyxwlj8moENMaPLRHcJ7IT/+HIdpDdWWpZIR5tnMDb3yGVEHuX79wg4xNA0ebTJHlbJefMcu/dd2MWCEm6iinGu+s/6OQty97/LdPjKvaR2GkUwxt26I3YpN5doaebIGR/ZaHKPVQSffFYvkPCJWlEg= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VWIBubx4+o/h/nADI9yzHz2jzoLSyUSY9ad/fHcx1RBZXWqyDmeTdJ8peqJepheCcDf9xEWzp9xxKaMSNYNgmFU1ufVUi4x3nGxG4/fHOhCuwzgCiGSC3l9AyY7orri3UICHQSop9/VTrW25lCCxvo0VuUCysqnxrTia9ftR7jk=; Message-ID: <228680.45117.qm@web46402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: JEu2tQsVM1lAVCQDv3AovEAWCLP_ROV3TRCUYDhOBSDa4kG k0E4N1Z_SWTdFyySm9z.lV5RgCohtPvauW2nqaPuQHJGXUqadb11U.ink7MZ 6pMlEMFEHKmeMBph6J5B8GwW4lpjL2eIC1XGKTByURpc4TuWvBZ_EE3b3Pr. NteFA7xeEkcTO7D90eW1KmJ9Iq6FbnF.N908RivrMdxRej9XNm5UzRtk8iGP BmlcU6iPeixJY26sJ7oKPSXhaB1lB8.I_Z8deg6UwcIxTwwA1SlnLTM0fPqe 8ftLT54QBY2zNN5y5EhvWlHeTPtz5CH7R_497VEYUdSnKAHubhSOan5chqwK F.DpZ0c8uyoNFNRSN1MotqI4hLWMH2UmulAUTpcYNBdv6Qq568Hi6QdsUfSR 0oCDLdtxIH_S.zF30ZLvjoLksVVHE_8CYFQcHi5clxV2hXSnVEg-- Received: from [24.177.130.10] by web46402.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 13 May 2011 15:33:58 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.111.303096 References: Date: Fri, 13 May 2011 15:33:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Dwayne Parkinson Reply-To: Dwayne Parkinson Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: 100LL in California To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1333993208-1305326038=:45117" --0-1333993208-1305326038=:45117 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable There's a very simple way to deal with ethanol and I'm not being=A0facetiou= s. =A0Every single EAA / AOPA / rotary group member should run for some kin= d of office in 2012.=A0=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Bi= ll Bradburry =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Friday, May 13, 2011 3:15 PM=0ASubject: = [FlyRotary] Re: 100LL in California=0A=0A=0A =0AYears ago, when this govt f= unded boondoggle=0Afirst started, I looked into building a still, er, ethan= ol processing=0Aplant.=A0 In order to avoid paying taxes, the white lighten= ing, er, ethanol,=0Ahad to be immediately denatured.=A0 The process of dena= turing made the white=0Alightening, er ethanol, unfit for drinking.=A0 This= was done by pouring=0Agasoline in it.=A0 The idea was that you could not r= emove the gasoline after=0Ait was introduced.=0A=A0=0AIf this was good enou= gh for the Revenuers,=0AI suspect that it would not be possible to remove t= he alcohol from the gas as=0Awell.=0A=A0=0ABill B=0A=A0=0A=0A______________= __________________=0A =0AFrom:Rotary motors in=0Aaircraft [mailto:flyrotary= @lancaironline.net] On=0ABehalf Of Mark Steitle=0ASent: Friday, May 13, 201= 1 3:38 PM=0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: 100LL = in California=0A=A0=0AWell, if you don't blow yourself up in the process, y= ou will now have=0Alow octane gas for about $4.50/gallon. =A0Then you'll ne= ed a method to=0Atransport it to the airport, then pump/pour it into your f= uel tanks, again=0Awithout blowing yourself up. =A0From a risk-analysis per= spective, it doesn't=0Awash (pun intended). =A0I just don't see the benefit= here. =A0It would=0Aalmost be easier to fly to Oklahoma =0Awhenever I need= ed fuel for the airplane.=0A=A0=0AMark =A0=0AOn Fri, May 13, 2011 at 9:42 A= M, Ernest Christley wrote:=0ABill Schertz wrote:=0ACha= rlie is right, you can=0Aextract the ethanol with water. Best practice woul= d be multiple small washings=0Ato reduce it to a negligible level, but octa= ne would suffer. Also, your price=0Aof auto fuel just went up, because you = are sending some down the drain.=0A=0ABasically there is a partition coeffi= cient for alcohol between gasoline and=0Awater. =A0Each time you add water,= x% moves to the water.=0A=0AThanks, Bill. =A0That chemistry class in colle= ge was a LONG time ago for me.=0A=0ASo, how long will it be before someone = starts selling a system that allows you=0Ato put contaminated gasoline in o= ne end, have it add water and then=0Acentrifugally separate it, let the cle= an gasoline go out the other end, and=0Adistill the water to reuse it? =A0T= he ethanol would drive the distillation,=0Aand the left-over could be maile= d to the stupid politicians and lobbiest that=0Akeep adulterating our gasol= ine. =A0("Here! =A0You like it so much,=0Ayou can have it!")=0A=0A=0A--=0AH= omepage: =A0http://www.flyrotary.com/=0AArchive and UnSub: =A0 http://mail.= lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --0-1333993208-1305326038=:45117 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
There's a very simple way to deal with eth= anol and I'm not being facetious.  Every single EAA / AOPA / rotary group membe= r should run for some kind of office in 2012. 

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To: Ro= tary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
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=0ASo, how long will it be before someone= starts selling a system that allows you=0Ato put contaminated gasoline in = one end, have it add water and then=0Acentrifugally separate it, let the cl= ean gasoline go out the other end, and=0Adistill the water to reuse it? &nb= sp;The ethanol would drive the distillation,=0Aand the left-over could be m= ailed to the stupid politicians and lobbiest that=0Akeep adulterating our g= asoline.  ("Here!  You like it so much,=0Ayou can have it!")
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