X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-fx0-f52.google.com ([209.85.161.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with ESMTPS id 4981564 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 12 May 2011 10:32:14 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.161.52; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so1146360fxm.25 for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 07:31:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=EETmf6Zl+mq4kxk2ujpGhXsN0Dn9onM5ZYLtQCqiw2A=; b=tXg6bu8f7YMYJSAtIoz27/3CVVOQT/t+HhjgWzbGWIvZxOmL5GuD3WlaAYq3o4Ug/b Dc/WWVd//JGUbrxyA+ZUBm7To8EHn3lQxORWJ4zrkqE/Vh/SGsBzh+sgxdn3QmyGHKc4 qwQyQ1tbK2yfe2JyQ9YQQYklaInoMMGfDTM3U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=h2PAYvdaCj20G3PfzUa0NFgpDUWK/Wt/XNElGnqpLRDAvs9LC2yJurdifgEfzr4YeG 5q6VIIgfaHKSa8fTutr1q2xYfJjoYM4JZcGZ9kwlTfucQ4HkeqXh2exUAmeKn83/Glyx R0W0/JT2TAKMW0loFketZG2aPiYY2Em1zUV9s= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.14.137 with SMTP id g9mr369118faa.1.1305210695737; Thu, 12 May 2011 07:31:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.81.66 with HTTP; Thu, 12 May 2011 07:31:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 09:31:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: FW: 100LL in California From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=00151747af3ee061aa04a3150b90 --00151747af3ee061aa04a3150b90 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151747af3ee061a304a3150b8f --00151747af3ee061a304a3150b8f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Al, Same story here in TX. Like I said earlier, it takes a politician to reall= y screw things up! Mark S. On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Al Gietzen wrote: > The pure-gas.org lists only 3 sources in all of California. I=92ve chec= ked > the local marinas around San Diego, and the response I get is =93all fuel= in > CA contains 10 % ethanol=94. > > > > I=92ve tested the fuel I=92ve been buying at the local Chevron stations, = and it > has 10% ethanol. I=92ve been using that fuel almost exclusively for 5 yea= rs in > my Velocity (EZpoxy tanks), and am not aware of any problems sp far. It > does cause me some anxiety, however; so I=92m considering more extensive = use > of 100LL. > > > > Seems ironic =96 one good reason for using mogas is eliminating the lead > pollution; which the regulators are trying to achieve; and then they > regulate the requirement for ethanol in the fuel which makes that a bad > choice as well. Typical bureaucratic lose-lose situation. > > > > Al > > > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *O= n > Behalf Of *Bill Bradburry > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 11, 2011 9:17 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: FW: 100LL in California > > > > You can find non-ethanol gas at boat docks that you can get to with your > car if you are willing to pay more for it. I get about 3 MPG improvement > without ethanol so 12-13 % more would be breakeven. > > > > Bill B > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *O= n > Behalf Of *Michael McMahon > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:25 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: FW: 100LL in California > > > > Wouldn=92t it be cool if you had a choice of ethanol-enhanced and non-eth= anol > at gas stations? They could charge more for non-ethanol if you like, but > reserve at least one pump per station for non-ethanol gas. Would that be > difficult? Perhaps it could even be done on a station by station basis, > just through personal contact, at least starting with the independent > station owners. > > > > mike > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *O= n > Behalf Of *Mark Steitle > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:35 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: FW: 100LL in California > > > > Bill, > > > > You could be right on that. It surely won't hurt to put a little pressur= e > on the FAA to find/approve an alternative aviation fuel. Personally, I > would be happy if they would make premium auto fuel ethanol free. > > > > On another note, with the time it takes for things to work their way > through the court system, it will be years before this gets resolved. Th= e > oil companies can afford to hire the best attorneys. > > > > Mark S. > > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Bill Bradburry > wrote: > > This may not be all bad. It could cause Swift fuel and that stuff GAMI i= s > making to be approved. Swift fuel costs about $2/gal and will not go up = and > down in price like Avgas. You could pay more for it since it is about 8% > more fuel efficient. > > > > Bill B > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *O= n > Behalf Of *Mark Steitle > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:30 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] FW: 100LL in California > > > > In case any of you missed this... who's next? > > > > *California Suit Targets 100LL* > > [image: Description: http://www.avweb.com/newspics/100ll.jpg]A California > environmental group has served notice it will sue more than 40 suppliers = of > avgas in the state to force them to stop selling it. The*Center for > Environmental Health* has given a legally-required 6= 0 > days of notice to all the major oil companies that sell 100LL and the FBO= s > that pump it at 25 airports to stop. "The oil and aviation industries nee= d > to know Californians will not tolerate lead pollution that threatens our > health and healthy environments," Michael Green, executive director of CE= H, > said in a statement. "We expect the industries to take immediate action t= o > eliminate pollution that endangers children and families who live, work a= nd > play near airports across the state." CEH cites *a 2008 EPA report*s > that show avgas is polluting the air and in some cases groundwater around > airports with piston traffic. > > CEH notes that Van Nuys Airport, one of the busiest GA airports in the > U.S., shows the highest level of lead pollution of more than 3,000 airpor= ts > covered in the report. As we've reported and commented on extensively, th= e > EPA is now considering its options in dealing with 100LL in response to a > petition from Friends of the Earth. The CEH route is a little more direct= . > It alleges violations of the California Safe Drinking Water and Toxic > Enforcement Act. Protesters recently staged a small rally outside Santa > Monica Airport complaining about lead pollution. > > > > > > > > > > > --00151747af3ee061a304a3150b8f Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Al,

Same story here in TX. =A0Like I said earlier,= it takes a politician to really screw things up!

Mark S= .

On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Al Gi= etzen <ALVenture= s@cox.net> wrote:

The pure-gas.org lists only 3 sourc= es in all of California.=A0 I=92ve checked the local= marinas around San Die= go, and the response I get is =93all fuel in CA contains 10 % ethanol=94.

=A0

I=92ve tested = the fuel I=92ve been buying at the local Chevron stations, and it has 10% ethanol. I=92ve been using that fuel almost exclusively for 5 years in my Velocity (EZpoxy tanks), and am not aware of any problems sp far.=A0 It does cause me some anxiety, however= ; so I=92m considering more extensive use of 100LL.

=A0

Seems ironic = =96 one good reason for using mogas is eliminating the lead pollution; which the regulators are try= ing to achieve; and then they regulate the requirement for ethanol in the fuel which makes that a bad choice as well. =A0Typical bureaucratic lose-lose si= tuation.

=A0

Al

=A0

-----Original M= essage-----
From: Rotary motors in aircr= aft [mailto:fl= yrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bill Bradburry
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 201= 1 9:17 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraf= t
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: FW:= 100LL in California

=A0

You can find non-ethanol gas at boat docks that you can get to with your car if you are willing to p= ay more for it.=A0 I get about 3 MPG improvement without ethanol so 12-13 % more would be breakeven.

=A0

Bill B

=A0

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Michael McMahon
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 201= 1 6:25 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraf= t
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: FW:= 100LL in California

=A0

Wouldn=92t it be cool if you had a choice of ethanol-enhanced and non-ethanol at gas stations?=A0 They could charge more for non-ethanol if you like, but reserv= e at least one pump per station for non-ethanol gas.=A0 Would that be difficult?=A0 Perhaps it could even be done on a station by station basis, just through personal contact, at least starting with the independent stati= on owners.

=A0

mike

=A0

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Steitle
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 201= 1 12:35 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraf= t
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: FW:= 100LL in California

=A0

Bill,

=A0

You could be right on tha= t.=A0 It surely won't hurt to put a little pressure on the FAA to find/approve an alternative aviation fuel.=A0 Personally, I would be happy if they would make premium auto fuel ethanol free.=A0

=A0

On another note, with the= time it takes for things to work their way through the court system, it will be years before this gets resolved.=A0 The oil companies can afford to hire=A0the best=A0attorneys.

=A0

Mark S.

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2= :23 PM, Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> wrote:

This may not be all bad.=A0 It could cause Swift fuel and that stuff GAMI is making to be approved.=A0 Swift fuel costs about $2/gal and will not go up and down in price like Avgas.=A0 You could pay more for it since it is about 8% more fuel efficient.

=A0

Bill B

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Steitle
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 201= 1 2:30 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraf= t
Subject: [FlyRotary] FW: 100= LL in California

=A0

In case any of you missed= this...=A0 who's next?

=A0

California Suit Targets 100LL

3D"Description:A California environmental group has served notice it will sue more than 40 suppliers of avgas in th= e state to force them to stop selling it. TheCenter for Environmental Healthhas given a legally-required 60 days of notice to all the major oil companies that sell 100LL and the FBOs that pump it at 25 airports to stop. "T= he oil and aviation industries need to know Californians will not tolerate l= ead pollution that threatens our health and healthy environments," Micha= el Green, executive director of CEH, said in a statement. "We expect th= e industries to take immediate action to eliminate pollution that endangers children and families who live, work and play near airports across the state." CEH cites=A0a 2008 EPA report= s that show avgas is polluting the air and in some cases groundwater around airports with pist= on traffic.

CEH notes that Van Nuys Airport, one of the busiest GA airports in the U.S., shows = the highest level of lead pollution of more than 3,000 airports covered in th= e report. As we've reported and commented on extensively, the EPA is no= w considering its options in dealing with 100LL in response to a petition f= rom Friends of the Earth. The CEH route is a little more direct. It alleges violations of the California Safe Drinking Water and Toxic Enforcement Ac= t. Protesters recently staged a small rally outside Santa Monica Airport complaining about lead pollution.

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