X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-fx0-f52.google.com ([209.85.161.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with ESMTPS id 4981387 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 12 May 2011 07:47:45 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.161.52; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so1027281fxm.25 for ; Thu, 12 May 2011 04:47:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=aZfCNbOoYOJk51OxTXlZRFJfIrFpldjDxK6MTjO9EsA=; b=DYmy36rQs53j6i/Ovwk5YDx2h/PjUPg8juvBVJpjAbHxDD+iqKIheOCypWASz7KuoF u2oErCYWoCQQTTE4uiBUkGFZe8Vkmqp7qVDaiCFzTKgAxnRRMxcKF55p4gxP7Pbo0zRn E0fWdLmgmjXuDSdd5LNirB3mZ/AHGcPY4LVts= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=WFxD0Onm1cqtrKvi3VHwR1Fq27IABdWe0vgAgk4dJiwFHwxvg8Kraiv5pjbguVqDv+ ErQD/fHwkb0D3jULV7Eg+3QC8ysyAXTbXEjDvzAOqbAQygHxFiobZ6qOcs02dNZBLx6i Y4/KsANWrjKCOvnYdMwyYNXDxAV55ok4Honsg= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.127.210 with SMTP id h18mr127501fas.77.1305200827929; Thu, 12 May 2011 04:47:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.81.66 with HTTP; Thu, 12 May 2011 04:47:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 12 May 2011 06:47:07 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: FW: 100LL in California From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=002354530970b59a6504a312bf0f --002354530970b59a6504a312bf0f Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=002354530970b59a5c04a312bf0e --002354530970b59a5c04a312bf0e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill, I've looked into that too. The closest one I've located is about 50 miles north of where I live, which puts it 100 miles from the airport. So, that won't work for me. I'll keep looking though. Mark On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 12:16 AM, Bill Bradburry wrote: > You can find non-ethanol gas at boat docks that you can get to with your > car if you are willing to pay more for it. I get about 3 MPG improvement > without ethanol so 12-13 % more would be breakeven. > > > > Bill B > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *O= n > Behalf Of *Michael McMahon > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 11, 2011 6:25 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: FW: 100LL in California > > > > Wouldn=92t it be cool if you had a choice of ethanol-enhanced and non-eth= anol > at gas stations? They could charge more for non-ethanol if you like, but > reserve at least one pump per station for non-ethanol gas. Would that be > difficult? Perhaps it could even be done on a station by station basis, > just through personal contact, at least starting with the independent > station owners. > > > > mike > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *O= n > Behalf Of *Mark Steitle > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 11, 2011 12:35 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: FW: 100LL in California > > > > Bill, > > > > You could be right on that. It surely won't hurt to put a little pressur= e > on the FAA to find/approve an alternative aviation fuel. Personally, I > would be happy if they would make premium auto fuel ethanol free. > > > > On another note, with the time it takes for things to work their way > through the court system, it will be years before this gets resolved. Th= e > oil companies can afford to hire the best attorneys. > > > > Mark S. > > On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Bill Bradburry > wrote: > > This may not be all bad. It could cause Swift fuel and that stuff GAMI i= s > making to be approved. Swift fuel costs about $2/gal and will not go up = and > down in price like Avgas. You could pay more for it since it is about 8% > more fuel efficient. > > > > Bill B > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *O= n > Behalf Of *Mark Steitle > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 11, 2011 2:30 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] FW: 100LL in California > > > > In case any of you missed this... who's next? > > > > *California** Suit Targets 100LL* > > [image: Description: http://www.avweb.com/newspics/100ll.jpg]A California > environmental group has served notice it will sue more than 40 suppliers = of > avgas in the state to force them to stop selling it. The*Center for > Environmental Health* has given a legally-required 6= 0 > days of notice to all the major oil companies that sell 100LL and the FBO= s > that pump it at 25 airports to stop. "The oil and aviation industries nee= d > to know Californians will not tolerate lead pollution that threatens our > health and healthy environments," Michael Green, executive director of CE= H, > said in a statement. "We expect the industries to take immediate action t= o > eliminate pollution that endangers children and families who live, work a= nd > play near airports across the state." CEH cites *a 2008 EPA report*s > that show avgas is polluting the air and in some cases groundwater around > airports with piston traffic. > > CEH notes that Van Nuys Airport, one of the busiest GA airports in the > U.S., shows the highest level of lead pollution of more than 3,000 airpor= ts > covered in the report. As we've reported and commented on extensively, th= e > EPA is now considering its options in dealing with 100LL in response to a > petition from Friends of the Earth. The CEH route is a little more direct= . > It alleges violations of the California Safe Drinking Water and Toxic > Enforcement Act. Protesters recently staged a small rally outside Santa > Monica Airport complaining about lead pollution. > > > > > > > > > > > --002354530970b59a5c04a312bf0e Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bill,=A0

I've looked into that too. =A0The closest o= ne I've located is about 50 miles north of where I live, which puts it = 100 miles from the airport. =A0So, that won't work for me. =A0I'll = keep looking though. =A0

Mark

On Thu, May 12, = 2011 at 12:16 AM, Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> wrote:
<= blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">

You can find non-e= thanol gas at boat docks that you can get to with your car if you are willing to pay more for it.=A0= I get about 3 MPG improvement without ethanol so 12-13 % more would be breake= ven.

=A0<= /p>

Bill B

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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:fl= yrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Michael McMahon
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 201= 1 6:25 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: FW:= 100LL in California

=A0

= Wouldn= =92t it be cool if you had a choice of ethanol-enhanced and non-ethanol at gas stations?=A0 They could charge more for non-ethanol if you like, but reserv= e at least one pump per station for non-ethanol gas.=A0 Would that be difficult?=A0 Perhaps it could even be done on a station by station basis, just through personal contact, at least starting with the independent stati= on owners.

= =A0

= mike

=A0

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:fl= yrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Steitle
Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 201= 1 12:35 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: FW:= 100LL in California

=A0

Bill,

=A0

You could be right on that.=A0 It surely won't h= urt to put a little pressure on the FAA to find/approve an alternative aviation fuel.=A0 Person= ally, I would be happy if they would make premium auto fuel ethanol free.=A0

=A0

On another note, with the time it takes for things t= o work their way through the court system, it will be years before this gets resolved.=A0 Th= e oil companies can afford to hire=A0the best=A0attorneys.

=A0

Mark S.=

On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 2:23 PM, Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net> wrote:

This may not be al= l bad.=A0 It could cause Swift fuel and that stuff GAMI is making to be approved.=A0 Swift fuel costs about $2/gal and will not go up and down in price like Avgas.=A0 You could pay more for it since it is about 8% more fuel efficient.

=A0<= /p>

Bill B

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:fl= yrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Mark Steitle Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 201= 1 2:30 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] FW: 100= LL in California

=A0

In case any of you missed this...=A0 who's next?

=A0

California Suit Targets 100LL

3D"Description:A California environmental group has served notice it will sue more than 40 suppliers = of avgas in the state to force them to stop selling it. TheCenter for Environmental Healthhas given a legally-required 60 days of notice to all the major oil companies that sell 100LL and the FBOs that pump it at 25 airports to stop. "T= he oil and aviation industries need to know Californians will not tolerate l= ead pollution that threatens our health and healthy environments," Micha= el Green, executive director of CEH, said in a statement. "We expect th= e industries to take immediate action to eliminate pollution that endangers children and families who live, work and play near airports across the st= ate." CEH cites=A0a 2008 EPA reports tha= t show avgas is polluting the air and in some cases groundwater around airports with pist= on traffic.

CEH notes that Van Nuys Airport, one of the busiest GA airports in the U.S., shows the highest level of lead pollution of more than 3,000 airports covered in the report. As we&#= 39;ve reported and commented on extensively, the EPA is now considering its opt= ions in dealing with 100LL in response to a petition from Friends of the Earth= . The CEH route is a little more direct. It alleges violations of the California Safe Drinking Water and Toxic Enforcement Act. Protesters rece= ntly staged a small rally outside Santa Monica Airport complaining about lead pollution.

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