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Jarrett,

Great just let me know if you can work it all out...............

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From: H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 10:40:58 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)

Kelly that works also. I've actually got some stuff there that I need to pick up. The bigger problem is how to declare it. I don't have a bill of sale and the importing of them is part 1 of a multi issue situation. The second is the return shipping/exporting... I think possibly I could send them down from here via the mail as a 'return for refund' type thing so that your not charged import duty etc. I'm just not sure how to get around the import into Canada thing.. :) I'll have to ask a couple people who are versed w/ the Canadian customs thing [maybe I'll just call the local border office and explain the situation to them, I've got lots of emails I can forward or print out to prove that I'm just borrowing it.. :) ].

Sending stuff across generally isn't an issue it just the 'circumstances' around this particular exchange. :)

Adam at Rx7 was fairly confident he had a housing, we'll just have to wait and see.

Jarrett Johnson
www.innovention-tech.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>

Date: Friday, May 6, 2011 6:07 pm

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)

> Jarrett,
>
>     I see Weyburn is about 50 miles from the border..........How
> far is it from
> the border to your friend
> in the states that you use to ship things to on occasion
> ?..............I ask
> because rather than multiple
> shipping and handling by those we both do not know why don't I box
> up both the
> Mistral plate , the
> Renesis plate and the Renesis pump and ship them to your friend
> for you to pick
> up...........I would
> rather trust you with them (especially the Mistral
> plate)..............I have
> no worries about them being in
>
> your hands.............Since I am a lot responsible for getting
> you into this I
> will pay to ship them to you
> if this arrangement will work for you................If so you
> will have to give
> me a few days to get to my
> hangar , box them up and ship..........I am 55miles from my hangar
> and have to
> make arrangements
> to get away for a few hours............
>
>       I hope "RX7 Specialty's" has a 93-95 13BREW front
> hsg...........My contact
> in Texas did not have
> one and I have one other contact to try at this time..............
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Kelly Troyer
> "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 4:58:45 PM
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)
>
>
> Sounds good. I'll give Rx7 Special a call here yet today and see
> where we get.
> Also.. do you think you could have the Mistral parts as well as
> the Renisis
> front cover up to Tulsa by thursday if I had an address for you?
> I'll refund all
> your shipping costs [you use Paypal?]
> The fella up there has a window where he may be able to get it
> done next week.
> Also, do you have a Renisis water pump?
>
> Jarrett Johnson
> www.innovention-tech.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
> Date: Friday,
> May 6, 2011 3:10 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Back-plate (93-95 Front
> Side Hsd
> Needed) > Jarrett,
>
> >      I have a E mail out to a guy in Texas..........Waiting for
> a
> > reply
> > Kelly Troyer
> > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 3:50:57 PM
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd
> Needed)
> >
> >
> > Thanks Bryan, that is a bit steep for just a sample part I think
> > :) I guess I
> > could use that for a starting point to build a ground up engine
> > but I'd prefer
> > not to build an engine part by part.
> > I just had a idea pop in my head and that is the guy in Calgary
> > who is a rotor
> > head [Rx7 specialty??] I'm pretty sure he would have a ruined
> > housing or two..
> > whether I can deal w/ him or not I dunno.
> >
> > The last time I contacted him he was wanting crazy prices for
> > ruined parts [not
> > scrap value for certain]. I'll have to call and see..
> >
> > Jarrett Johnson
> > www.innovention-tech.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Winberry
> > <bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net>
> > Date: Friday, May 6, 2011 2:47 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-
> > plate (93-95
> > Front Side Hsd Needed) > Jarrett,
> >
> > >
> > > Paul at Mazmart said that a new one was around 500!
> > >
> > > So, it looks like we need to find a ruined unit.
> > >
> > > I have one more guy I think I'll call, but doubt he has one.
> > >
> > > Bryan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
> On
> > > Behalf Of H & J Johnson
> > > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:39 PM
> > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd
> > Needed)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Bryan, I think for the Iron I'd like to get my hands on one to
> > > keep. If it
> > > has to be a serviceable one.. that would be 'ok', however the
> > > preference[due to cost] would be to get a un-servicable one,
> > > granted its not TOO
> > > warped or something. I would use this for mock up and assembly
> > > testing of
> > > the actual mount housing etc.
> > >
> > > Jarrett Johnson
> > > www.innovention-tech.com
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > From: Bryan Winberry <bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net>
> > >
> > > Date: Friday, May 6, 2011 11:20 am
> > >
> > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd
> > Needed)
> > >
> > > > Unfortunately, Mazmart did not have a third gen front
> plate.
> > > They
> > > > mighthave had a serviceable one, but probably didn't want to
> > > take
> > > > a chance on not
> > > > seeing it again. If someone else doesn't come up with one,
> > > > perhaps I can
> > > > try again. Jarrett, how long would you need the piece? Or
> > were
> > > > you hoping
> > > > to hang on to it?
> > > >
> > > > Bryan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft
> [flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
> > On
> > > > Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 2:24 AM
> > > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd
> Needed)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Marc,
> > > >
> > > >       The Mistral backplate is for a Dynafocal Type 1 , 30
> > > degree
> > > > mountring
> > > >
> > > > which is standard for most Lycoming 0-320 & all 0 & I0-360
> > > engines
> > > > (that I
> > > >
> > > > am aware of))..............The Dynafocal Type 2 , 18 degree
> > > mount
> > > > ring was
> > > >
> > > > designed for a specific 0-320 engine installed in the Twin
> > > > Comanche with
> > > >
> > > > an extra 2.5 inch extended prop hub..............This put
> the
> > > > engine CG
> > > > ahead
> > > >
> > > > the 30 degree mount focal point of approx 14.25 inches so
> the
> > > 18
> > > > degree
> > > > mount was designed to again put the engine CG slightly
> behind
> > > the
> > > > 18 degree
> > > >
> > > > focal point.............If your Cardinal has the type 2 , 18
> > > > degree mount
> > > > then it
> > > >
> > > > probably has a 0-320 with the extra pop hub
> length..........If
> > > not
> > > > maybeCessna
> > > >
> > > > got a good deal on this particular 0-320 engine model back
> > > > then.........Ifby
> > > >
> > > > chance your Cardinal has an 0-360 then all bets are off as I
> > > > haven't heard
> > > >
> > > > of a 0-360 model with the Type 2 , 18 degree
> > > mount............<:)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >     As for the 93-95 13BREW front side plate Bryan may have
> > > found
> > > > us an
> > > >
> > > > unserviceable one............We will see............As many
> of
> > > > these engnes
> > > > that
> > > >
> > > > have been over-heated , over-boosted and over-reved we
> should
> > be
> > > > able to
> > > >
> > > > come up with a junk one.............
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks Marc,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kelly Troyer
> > > > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> > > >
> > > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> > > > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> > > > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> > > >
> > > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > > From: Marc Wiese <cardmarc@charter.net>
> > > > To: keltro@att.net
> > > > Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 8:40:02 PM
> > > > Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side
> Hsd
> > > Needed)
> > > >
> > > > Kelly,
> > > >
> > > > I also have a type II dynafocal engine mount (from a
> Cardinal
> > > RG!)..
> > > >
> > > > Marc
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Marc Wiese [cardmarc@charter.net]
> > > > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:37 PM
> > > > To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft'; 'keltro@att.net'
> > > > Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side
> Hsd
> > > Needed)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I may have one of those 13Brew "front plates", but it is
> > > "useable".
> > > >
> > > > I too would like a dynafocal type II mount...for both of my
> > > > 13Brews and the
> > > > 20B.
> > > >
> > > > Marc
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft
> [flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
> > On
> > > > Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 6:09 PM
> > > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd
> > > Needed)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > To The Rotary Group,
> > > >
> > > >     Yes I know I am a troublemaker (too much computer time
> > > > available with
> > > > my day job) and some of you are probably sick of all my
> posts
> > > > !!.............."But" with that being said one of our group
> is
> > > > seriouslyconsidering the development of a "Mistral" type
> > > >
> > > > back-plate to allow the use of a standard "Lycoming"
> > "Dynafocal
> > > > type 1"
> > > > engine mount ring that will be a virtual "Bolt-on" to the
> > > >
> > > > 93-95 13BREW , Cosmo 13B & 20B and the Renesis 13B
> > > > Rotarys.............Several builders and potentials have
> > > indicated
> > > > they
> > > > would be interested in such a back-plate (including
> > > > me)............I have
> > > > one of the few "Mistral" back-plates that ended up in the
> > > >
> > > > hands of experimenters (waited 2 years for it)..........It
> is
> > > > severely over
> > > > engineered for our use (and overpriced) and has many
> > > >
> > > > features we do not need...........
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >    If you have followed "Back-plate" string of posts
> recently
> > > you
> > > > know that
> > > > Jarrett Johnson one our group with aspirations to
> > > >
> > > > install a Cosmo 20B in his project started the discussion
> > first
> > > > about an
> > > > developing an intake manifold for 13B & 20B Rotarys
> > > >
> > > > (which needs to be done also) then I jumped in and said that
> a
> > > > common engine
> > > > mount design might also be needed and if
> > > >
> > > > you have been reading the posts lately a lot of info has
> been
> > > > kicked around
> > > > about the various Rotarys and what it will take to "Marry"
> the
> > > > "Mistral"back-plate with a "RX8 "Renesis" water-pump (with
> the
> > > > magic of digital
> > > > scanning & CAD) to design
> > > >
> > > > such a back-plate.........
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >     Those that have been on the Rotary forum for several
> years
> > > > may remember
> > > > Jarrett posting his trials and tribulations in
> > > >
> > > > building a huge CAM mill (at home).............He is a
> > > commercial
> > > > designerwith the talent and equipment (including foundry)
> > > >
> > > > to pull this off............I have offered my "Mistral" back-
>
> > > plate
> > > > to be
> > > > scanned (He trying to find someone here in Okla to do
> > > >
> > > > the job) and I also have a "Renesis" front cover to
> > > > scan............What we
> > > > really need now is a 93-95 13BREW front side
> > > >
> > > > housing (unusable condition preferred as long as front side
> is
> > > > undamaged) to
> > > > put in his hands as this is what the back-plate
> > > >
> > > > will bolt to..............If someone in the group has an
> > > unusable
> > > > 93-95
> > > > 13BREW front side housing they will donate I will pay
> > > >
> > > > to have it shipped to Jarrett..............You may contact
> me
> > > off
> > > > the forum
> > > > if you would prefer..........I have no horse in this race
> > > >
> > > > I would just like to see such a product be made available to
> > the
> > > > group..........
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > keltro@att.net
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kelly Troyer
> > > > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> > > >
> > > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> > > > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> > > > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> > > >
> > > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > > From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
> > > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > > > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 11:45:09 PM
> > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate
> > > >
> > > > Jarrett,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >    Will be a good idea to scan both the Mistral and Renesis
> > > > housings.............You really need
> > > >
> > > > a 93-95 13BREW (preferably) or Cosmo 20B front housing to
> > > > scan.............Most of my 13B
> > > >
> > > > engines are 86-91.............My Cosmo 13B is adaptable but
> > > lacks
> > > > some of
> > > > the machined bolt
> > > >
> > > > and stud pads of the 13BREW, Renesis or Cosmo 20B front side
> > > > housing which
> > > > you need
> > > >
> > > > to make allowances for on the redesigned back-plate if you
> > want
> > > it
> > > > to fit
> > > > all three versions of
> > > >
> > > > these engines..................Throw this out to the group
> and
> > > see if
> > > > someone has a 1993-95
> > > >
> > > > 13BREW front side hsg (need not be usable) they would donate
> > or
> > > > lend to the
> > > > project.........
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >   You really need this front side housing in front of
> > > > you......... Even
> > > > with all the scans nothing
> > > >
> > > > beats having the actual hardware............IMHO
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kelly Troyer
> > > > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> > > >
> > > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> > > > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> > > > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> > > >
> > > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _____
> > > >
> > > > From: H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
> > > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > > > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:03 PM
> > > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate
> > > >
> > > > Evening Kelly, so just thought I'd send a note w/ an update.
> I
> > > did
> > > > find a
> > > > fella in Tulsa who has access to a laser scanner. He's
> getting
> > > me some
> > > > pricing
> > > >
> > > > on what it would cost to get the job done. I'm thinking it
> > might
> > > > be a good
> > > > idea to get both the Mistral housing as well as a Renisis
> > Front
> > > Cover
> > > > scanned?
> > > >
> > > > I'd like to get an Iron [preferably the side that mates to
> the
> > > > front cover]
> > > > scanned as well but don't know if you've got one handy [as
> in,
> > > not
> > > > 'in' an
> > > > engine]. I could always
> > > >
> > > > do it here in time but that might take a bit before I get my
> > > hands
> > > > on one
> > > > that is not in an engine.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I'll keep you posted as this goes and see where we get.
> > > >
> > > > Jarrett Johnson
> > > > www.innovention-tech.com <http://www.innovention-tech.com/>
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