X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm7-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.116] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with SMTP id 4969443 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 06 May 2011 20:08:00 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.116; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.44.97] by nm7.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2011 00:07:26 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.72] by tm2.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2011 00:07:26 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 May 2011 00:07:26 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 790324.22503.bm@omp1009.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 28038 invoked by uid 60001); 7 May 2011 00:07:26 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1304726846; bh=ZPRPRZg5Jkw9WjiRJwEwwLMOGxO3jetD3UDlaKFWGnY=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jOXFDzhRgFHQ8G3j5Rsu+Os3SQZgDa0uJXpUAHwIhxiNO3Z1z3xdzipSaONDaALDaC1nz8Zp/AZd0ujnsTPkHPlZpTAfUXt9kDpN+0tBr0EozUAPL04sQh7Ys5zW8XlsxpWqBUd8xav4r+P4bFTycdUW6Vn562yA8azdt0rCoMQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=NJU6HicBjFsAsWzBPSEybah7c3t3Ealmu1UElosVwnzkFjRQw9wUpJ6ncHywymr+bbx7mLyaD11YzFnVKnSF5JCTSAan67kFw5yV3LI3ZIADHWzwWqXia4okENSzQV6QE6XbmCkb9RxEtC+dXSL5jZoYNDvmOKsA3/1BsN3GhH8=; Message-ID: <580522.24013.qm@web83914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: mJXCnlEVM1kPDwTfSWaChGw.62Xqx5HmslSjcUOiMsxa3Qi K3KhyizhPCqgznb5auPO7YGyjRovzivNAdSgZ1p2WMDWUYlol0ozAPyLuhq8 L9aZvD73.HKao1pNjeIWRHv.3YnG9qc.PcXqVbpDnm0B1euLJbleoHZvQFCY Mv2EIvpZnIVVetZLT0g.r3L1.l4eiPWDdTq_pjrRd4P_tbje4TtFJePpdxi_ 6PB4s9OBzfeSVZ0P_A8QWSLwRfRJ.SxkY3DHeLfjUNLjwhOlOhgkcv3JKxEb yjaiSyUmByZ.U4SMTURsgGC2C1ZB1gOfftGCnSc8MxDiU9Umk3sZFP17Y9L5 S2HF88CkdWgi.FyWTWguvVpBv6ae9kgfTGpKUx.byyU3lsCTyplzLAXAxW8T 11FnUXTj9mdwACOQkIyvvMHhM3FzbvWmfLPoM6Ob4xuALJBYFKCU4ca_Oyxj 4SsJcB4hrFDMuWVgnLa4vzVbhGsLMt62jvg-- Received: from [208.114.43.64] by web83914.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 May 2011 17:07:26 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.110.299900 References: Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 17:07:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-930155889-1304726846=:24013" --0-930155889-1304726846=:24013 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jarrett,=0A=0A=A0=A0=A0 I see=A0Weyburn=A0is about 50 miles from the border= ..........How far is it from =0Athe border to your friend=0Ain the states t= hat you use to ship things to on occasion ?..............I ask =0Abecause r= ather than multiple=0Ashipping and handling by those we both do not know wh= y don't=A0I box up both the =0AMistral plate , the=0ARenesis plate=A0and th= e Renesis pump and ship them to your friend for you to pick =0Aup..........= .I would=0Arather trust you with them (especially the Mistral plate).......= .......I have =0Ano=A0worries about them being in =0A=0Ayour hands.........= ....Since I am=A0a lot responsible for getting you into this I =0Awill pay = to ship them to you=0Aif this arrangement=A0will work for you..............= ..If so you will have to give =0Ame a few days to get to my=0Ahangar , box = them up and ship..........I am 55miles from my hangar and have to =0Amake a= rrangements=0Ato get away for a few hours............=A0=0A=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0= =A0 I hope "RX7 Specialty's" has a 93-95 13BREW front hsg...........My cont= act =0Ain Texas did not have=0Aone and I have one other contact to try at t= his time..............=0A=0ABest Regards,=0A=A0=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE D= ELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTR= AL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____= ___________________________=0AFrom: To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Fri, May 6, 2011 4:58:45 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRot= ary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)=0A=0A=0ASounds good. I'll= give Rx7 Special a call here yet today and see where we get. =0AAlso.. do = you think you could have the Mistral parts as well as the Renisis =0Afront = cover up to Tulsa by thursday if I had an address for you? I'll refund all = =0Ayour shipping costs [you use Paypal?]=0AThe fella up there has a window = where he may be able to get it done next week.=0AAlso, do you have a Renisi= s water pump?=0A=0AJarrett Johnson =0Awww.innovention-tech.com =0A=0A----- = Original Message ----- From: Kelly Troyer Date: Friday, = =0AMay 6, 2011 3:10 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hs= d =0ANeeded) > Jarrett, =0A=0A> =A0=A0=A0=A0 I have a E mail out to a guy i= n Texas..........Waiting for a =0A> reply=A0 =0A> Kelly Troyer =0A> "DYKE D= ELTA JD2" (Eventually) =0A> "13B ROTARY"_ Engine =0A> "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 = =0A> "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold =0A> "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo =0A> = =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> ________________________________ =0A> From: H & J Johns= on =0A> To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A> Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 3:50:57 PM =0A> Subject: [FlyR= otary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) =0A> =0A> =0A> Thanks B= ryan, that is a bit steep for just a sample part I think =0A> :)=A0 I guess= I =0A> could use that for a starting point to build a ground up engine =0A= > but I'd prefer =0A> not to build an engine part by part. =0A> I just had = a idea pop in my head and that is the guy in Calgary =0A> who is a rotor = =0A> head [Rx7 specialty??] I'm pretty sure he would have a ruined =0A> hou= sing or two.. =0A> whether I can deal w/ him or not I dunno. =0A> =0A> The = last time I contacted him he was wanting crazy prices for =0A> ruined parts= [not =0A> scrap value for certain]. I'll have to call and see.. =0A> =0A> = Jarrett Johnson =0A> www.innovention-tech.com =0A> =0A> ----- Original Mess= age ----- From: Bryan Winberry =0A> =0A> Date= : Friday, May 6, 2011 2:47 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back- =0A> plate (93= -95 =0A> Front Side Hsd Needed) > Jarrett, =0A> =0A> > =0A> > Paul at Mazma= rt said that a new one was around 500! =0A> > =0A> > So, it looks like we n= eed to find a ruined unit. =0A> > =0A> > I have one more guy I think I'll c= all, but doubt he has one. =0A> > =0A> > Bryan =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> >= =A0 _____=A0 =0A> > =0A> > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lanca= ironline.net] On =0A> > Behalf Of H & J Johnson =0A> > Sent: Friday, May 06= , 2011 4:39 PM =0A> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A> > Subject: [FlyRot= ary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd =0A> Needed) =0A> > =0A> > =0A> >= =0A> > Bryan, I think for the Iron I'd like to get my hands on one to =0A>= > keep. If it =0A> > has to be a serviceable one.. that would be 'ok', how= ever the =0A> > preference[due to cost] would be to get a un-servicable one= , =0A> > granted its not TOO =0A> > warped or something. I would use this f= or mock up and assembly =0A> > testing of =0A> > the actual mount housing e= tc. =0A> > =0A> > Jarrett Johnson =0A> > www.innovention-tech.com =0A> > = =0A> > ----- Original Message ----- =0A> > =0A> > From: Bryan Winberry =0A> > =0A> > Date: Friday, May 6, 2011 11:20 am = =0A> > =0A> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd =0A= > Needed) =0A> > =0A> > > Unfortunately, Mazmart did not have a third gen f= ront plate.=A0 =0A> > They =0A> > > mighthave had a serviceable one, but pr= obably didn't want to =0A> > take =0A> > > a chance on not =0A> > > seeing = it again.=A0 If someone else doesn't come up with one, =0A> > > perhaps I c= an =0A> > > try again.=A0 Jarrett, how long would you need the piece?=A0 Or= =0A> were =0A> > > you hoping =0A> > > to hang on to it? =0A> > > =0A> > >= Bryan =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > >=A0 _____=A0 =0A> > > =0A> > > Fr= om: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] =0A> On =0A> > = > Behalf Of Kelly Troyer =0A> > > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 2:24 AM =0A> >= > To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A> > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Back-plate (= 93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > Marc, =0A>= > > =0A> > >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 The Mistral backplate is for a Dynafocal Ty= pe 1 , 30 =0A> > degree =0A> > > mountring =0A> > > =0A> > > which is stand= ard for most Lycoming 0-320 & all 0 & I0-360 =0A> > engines =0A> > > (that = I =0A> > > =0A> > > am aware of))..............The Dynafocal Type 2 , 18 de= gree =0A> > mount =0A> > > ring was =0A> > > =0A> > > designed for a specif= ic 0-320 engine installed in the Twin =0A> > > Comanche with =0A> > > =0A> = > > an extra 2.5 inch extended prop hub..............This put the =0A> > > = engine CG =0A> > > ahead =0A> > > =0A> > > the 30 degree mount focal point= =A0 of approx 14.25 inches so the =0A> > 18 =0A> > > degree =0A> > > mount = was designed to again put the engine CG slightly behind =0A> > the =0A> > >= 18 degree =0A> > > =0A> > > focal point.............If your Cardinal has t= he type 2 , 18 =0A> > > degree=A0 mount =0A> > > then it =0A> > > =0A> > > = probably has a 0-320 with the extra pop hub length..........If =0A> > not = =0A> > > maybeCessna =0A> > > =0A> > > got a good deal on this particular 0= -320 engine model back =0A> > > then.........Ifby =0A> > > =0A> > > chance = your Cardinal has an 0-360 then all bets are off as I =0A> > > haven't hear= d =0A> > > =0A> > > of a 0-360 model with the Type 2 , 18 degree =0A> > mou= nt............<:) =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 As for th= e 93-95 13BREW front side plate Bryan may have =0A> > found =0A> > > us an = =0A> > > =0A> > > unserviceable one............We will see............As ma= ny of =0A> > > these engnes =0A> > > that =0A> > > =0A> > > have been over-= heated , over-boosted and over-reved we should =0A> be =0A> > > able to =0A= > > > =0A> > > come up with a junk one............. =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> = > > =0A> > > Thanks Marc, =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > Kelly Troyer = =0A> > > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) =0A> > > =0A> > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engi= ne =0A> > > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 =0A> > > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold = =0A> > > =0A> > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A= > > > =0A> > > =0A> > >=A0 _____=A0 =0A> > > =0A> > > From: Marc Wiese =0A> > > To: keltro@att.net =0A> > > Sent: Thu, May 5, 2= 011 8:40:02 PM =0A> > > Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Fron= t Side Hsd =0A> > Needed) =0A> > > =0A> > > Kelly, =0A> > > =0A> > > I also= have a type II dynafocal engine mount (from a Cardinal =0A> > RG!).. =0A> = > > =0A> > > Marc =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > From: Marc Wiese [car= dmarc@charter.net] =0A> > > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:37 PM =0A> > > T= o: 'Rotary motors in aircraft'; 'keltro@att.net' =0A> > > Subject: RE: [Fly= Rotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd =0A> > Needed) =0A> > > =0A> >= > =0A> > > =0A> > > I may have one of those 13Brew "front plates", but it = is =0A> > "useable". =0A> > > =0A> > > I too would like a dynafocal type II= mount...for both of my =0A> > > 13Brews and the =0A> > > 20B. =0A> > > =0A= > > > Marc =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > From: Rotary motors in aircr= aft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] =0A> On =0A> > > Behalf Of Kelly Troyer = =0A> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 6:09 PM =0A> > > To: Rotary motors i= n aircraft =0A> > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side H= sd =0A> > Needed) =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > To The Rotary Group, = =0A> > > =0A> > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 Yes I know I am a troublemaker (too much comp= uter time =0A> > > available with =0A> > > my day job) and some of you are = probably sick of all my posts =0A> > > !!.............."But" with that bein= g said one of our group is =0A> > > seriouslyconsidering the development of= a "Mistral" type =0A> > > =0A> > > back-plate to allow the use of a standa= rd "Lycoming" =0A> "Dynafocal =0A> > > type 1" =0A> > > engine mount ring t= hat will be a virtual "Bolt-on" to the =0A> > > =0A> > > 93-95 13BREW , Cos= mo 13B & 20B and the Renesis 13B =0A> > > Rotarys.............Several build= ers and potentials have =0A> > indicated =0A> > > they =0A> > > would be in= terested in such a back-plate (including =0A> > > me)............I have =0A= > > > one of the few "Mistral" back-plates that ended up in the =0A> > > = =0A> > > hands of experimenters (waited 2 years for it)..........It is =0A>= > > severely over =0A> > > engineered for our use (and overpriced) and has= many =0A> > > =0A> > > features we do not need........... =0A> > > =0A> > = > =0A> > > =0A> > >=A0=A0=A0 If you have followed "Back-plate" string of po= sts recently =0A> > you =0A> > > know that =0A> > > Jarrett Johnson one our= group with aspirations to =0A> > > =0A> > > install a Cosmo 20B in his pro= ject started the discussion =0A> first =0A> > > about an =0A> > > developin= g an intake manifold for 13B & 20B Rotarys =0A> > > =0A> > > (which needs t= o be done also) then I jumped in and said that a =0A> > > common engine =0A= > > > mount design might also be needed and if =0A> > > =0A> > > you have b= een reading the posts lately a lot of info has been =0A> > > kicked around = =0A> > > about the various Rotarys and what it will take to "Marry" the =0A= > > > "Mistral"back-plate with a "RX8 "Renesis" water-pump (with the =0A> >= > magic of digital =0A> > > scanning & CAD) to design =0A> > > =0A> > > su= ch a back-plate......... =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > >=A0=A0=A0=A0 Th= ose that have been on the Rotary forum for several years =0A> > > may remem= ber =0A> > > Jarrett posting his trials and tribulations in =0A> > > =0A> >= > building a huge CAM mill (at home).............He is a =0A> > commercial= =0A> > > designerwith the talent and equipment (including foundry) =0A> > = > =0A> > > to pull this off............I have offered my "Mistral" back- = =0A> > plate =0A> > > to be =0A> > > scanned (He trying to find someone her= e in Okla to do =0A> > > =0A> > > the=A0 job) and I also have a "Renesis" f= ront cover to =0A> > > scan............What we =0A> > > really need now is = a 93-95 13BREW front side =0A> > > =0A> > > housing (unusable condition pre= ferred as long as front side is =0A> > > undamaged) to =0A> > > put in his = hands as this is what the back-plate =0A> > > =0A> > > will bolt to........= ......If someone in the group has an =0A> > unusable =0A> > > 93-95 =0A> > = > 13BREW front side housing they will donate I will pay =0A> > > =0A> > > t= o have it shipped to Jarrett..............You may contact me =0A> > off =0A= > > > the forum =0A> > > if you would prefer..........I have no horse in th= is race =0A> > > =0A> > > I would just like to see such a product be made a= vailable to =0A> the =0A> > > group.......... =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > = =0A> > > keltro@att.net =0A> > > =0A> > >=A0=A0=A0 =0A> > > =0A> > > Kelly = Troyer =0A> > > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) =0A> > > =0A> > > "13B ROTARY= "_ Engine =0A> > > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 =0A> > > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Mani= fold =0A> > > =0A> > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > = > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > >=A0 _____=A0 =0A> > > =0A> > > From: Kelly Troy= er =0A> > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A> > > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 11:45:09 PM =0A> > > Subject:= [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate =0A> > > =0A> > > Jarrett, =0A> > > =0A> > > = =0A> > > =0A> > >=A0=A0=A0 Will be a good idea to scan both the Mistral and= Renesis =0A> > > housings.............You really need =0A> > > =0A> > > a = 93-95 13BREW (preferably) or Cosmo 20B front housing to =0A> > > scan......= .......Most of my 13B =0A> > > =0A> > > engines are 86-91.............My Co= smo 13B is adaptable but =0A> > lacks =0A> > > some of =0A> > > the machine= d bolt =0A> > > =0A> > > and stud pads of the 13BREW, Renesis or Cosmo 20B = front side =0A> > > housing which =0A> > > you need =0A> > > =0A> > > to ma= ke allowances for on the redesigned back-plate if you =0A> want =0A> > it = =0A> > > to fit =0A> > > all three versions of =0A> > > =0A> > > these engi= nes..................Throw this out to the group and =0A> > see if =0A> > >= someone has a 1993-95 =0A> > > =0A> > > 13BREW front side hsg (need not be= usable) they would donate =0A> or =0A> > > lend to the =0A> > > project...= ...... =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > >=A0=A0 You really need this front= side housing in front of =0A> > > you......... Even =0A> > > with all the = scans nothing =0A> > > =0A> > > beats having the actual hardware...........= .IMHO =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > Best Regards, =0A> > > =0A> > > = =0A> > > =0A> > > Kelly Troyer =0A> > > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) =0A> = > > =0A> > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine =0A> > > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 =0A> > > "MIS= TRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold =0A> > > =0A> > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo = =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > >=A0 _____=A0 =0A> > > = =0A> > > From: H & J Johnson =0A> > > To: Rotary mo= tors in aircraft =0A> > > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2= 011 10:43:03 PM =0A> > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate =0A> > > =0A> = > > Evening Kelly, so just thought I'd send a note w/ an update. I =0A> > d= id =0A> > > find a =0A> > > fella in Tulsa who has access to a laser scanne= r. He's getting =0A> > me some =0A> > > pricing =0A> > > =0A> > > on what i= t would cost to get the job done. I'm thinking it =0A> might =0A> > > be a = good =0A> > > idea to get both the Mistral housing as well as a Renisis =0A= > Front =0A> > Cover =0A> > > scanned? =0A> > > =0A> > > I'd like to get an= Iron [preferably the side that mates to the =0A> > > front cover] =0A> > >= scanned as well but don't know if you've got one handy [as in, =0A> > not = =0A> > > 'in' an =0A> > > engine]. I could always =0A> > > =0A> > > do it h= ere in time but that might take a bit before I get my =0A> > hands =0A> > >= on one =0A> > > that is not in an engine. =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> > > =0A> = > > I'll keep you posted as this goes and see where we get. =0A> > > =0A> >= > Jarrett Johnson =0A> > > www.innovention-tech.com =A0 =0A> > > =0A> > > --=A0=A0=A0 Homepage:=A0 http://www.flyro= tary.com/=A0=A0=A0 Archive and =0A> UnSub: =0A> > > http://mail.lancaironli= ne.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html =0A> > > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > -- =0A> >= =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > Homepage:=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/ =0A> > =0A> > = =0A> > =0A> > Archive and UnSub: =0A> > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/li= sts/flyrotary/List.html =0A> > =0A> --=A0 Homepage:=A0 http://www.flyrotary= .com/=A0 Archive and UnSub:=A0=A0 =0A> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lis= ts/flyrotary/List.html =0A-- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Arc= hive and UnSub: =0Ahttp://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.= html --0-930155889-1304726846=:24013 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Ren= esis plate and the Renesis pump and ship them to your friend for you t= o pick up...........I would
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rather trust you with them (especi= ally the Mistral plate)..............I have no worries about them bein= g in
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if t= his arrangement will work for you................If so you will have t= o give me a few days to get to my
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hangar , box them up and shi= p..........I am 55miles from my hangar and have to make arrangements
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      I hope "RX7 Specialty's" has a 9= 3-95 13BREW front hsg...........My contact in Texas did not have
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Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
= "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONETIC= S"_TO4E50 Turbo

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=0AFrom: To: Rotary motors i= n aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 4:58:45 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-9= 5 Front Side Hsd Needed)

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Sounds good. I'll give Rx7 Spe= cial a call here yet today and see where we get. Also.. do you think you co= uld have the Mistral parts as well as the Renisis front cover up to Tulsa b= y thursday if I had an address for you? I'll refund all your shipping costs= [you use Paypal?]

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The fella up there has a window where he may be= able to get it done next week.

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Also, do you have a Renisis water = pump?

Jarrett Johnson
www.innovention-tech.com

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From: Kelly Troyer <kelt= ro@att.net> =0A

Date: Friday, May 6, 2011 3:10 pm =0A

Subject: [FlyRotary] Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) =0A

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> Jarrett,
>      I have a E m= ail out to a guy in Texas..........Waiting for a
> reply 
&= gt; Kelly Troyer
> "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> "13B ROTAR= Y"_ Engine
> "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Man= ifold
> "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
>
>
>
&g= t;
> ________________________________
> From: H & J Johns= on <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft <= ;flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 3:50:57 PM=
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)=
>
>
> Thanks Bryan, that is a bit steep for just a sa= mple part I think
> :)  I guess I
> could use that for a= starting point to build a ground up engine
> but I'd prefer
>= ; not to build an engine part by part.
> I just had a idea pop in my head and that is the guy in Calgary
> who is a rotor
> head = [Rx7 specialty??] I'm pretty sure he would have a ruined
> housing o= r two..
> whether I can deal w/ him or not I dunno.
>
>= ; The last time I contacted him he was wanting crazy prices for
> ru= ined parts [not
> scrap value for certain]. I'll have to call and se= e..
>
> Jarrett Johnson
> www.innovention-tech.com >
> ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Winberry
> &= lt;bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net>
> Date: Friday, May 6, 2011 2:47 = pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-
> plate (93-95
> Front Side= Hsd Needed) > Jarrett,
>
> >
> > Paul at Maz= mart said that a new one was around 500!
> >
> > So, it= looks like we need to find a ruined unit.
> >
> > I ha= ve one more guy I think I'll call, but doubt he has one.
> >
> > Bryan
> >
> >
> >
>= ; >  _____ 
> >
> > From: Rotary motors in= aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
> > Behalf Of H & = J Johnson
> > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:39 PM
> > To= : Rotary motors in aircraft
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-pla= te (93-95 Front Side Hsd
> Needed)
> >
> >
&= gt; >
> > Bryan, I think for the Iron I'd like to get my hands= on one to
> > keep. If it
> > has to be a serviceable = one.. that would be 'ok', however the
> > preference[due to cost]= would be to get a un-servicable one,
> > granted its not TOO > > warped or something. I would use this for mock up and assembly <= BR>> > testing of
> > the actual mount housing etc.
>= ; >
> > Jarrett Johnson
> > www.innovention-tech.com
> >
> > ----- Original Messag= e -----
> >
> > From: Bryan Winberry <bryanwinberry@= bellsouth.net>
> >
> > Date: Friday, May 6, 2011 11:= 20 am
> >
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-9= 5 Front Side Hsd
> Needed)
> >
> > > Unfortun= ately, Mazmart did not have a third gen front plate. 
> > Th= ey
> > > mighthave had a serviceable one, but probably didn't = want to
> > take
> > > a chance on not
> >= > seeing it again.  If someone else doesn't come up with one,
= > > > perhaps I can
> > > try again.  Jarrett, h= ow long would you need the piece?  Or
> were
> > >= you hoping
> > > to hang on to it?
> > >
>= ; > > Bryan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  _____ 
> > >
>= > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > On
> > > Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
> > > Sent= : Friday, May 06, 2011 2:24 AM
> > > To: Rotary motors in airc= raft
> > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Back-plate (93-95 Front Side H= sd Needed)
> > >
> > >
> > >
>= ; > > Marc,
> > >
> > >   &n= bsp;   The Mistral backplate is for a Dynafocal Type 1 , 30
&= gt; > degree
> > > mountring
> > >
> &g= t; > which is standard for most Lycoming 0-320 & all 0 & I0-360 =
> > engines
> > > (that I
> > >
>= ; > > am aware of))..............The Dynafocal Type 2 , 18 degree > > mount
> > > ring was
> > >
> > > designed for a specific 0-320 engine installed in the T= win
> > > Comanche with
> > >
> > > = an extra 2.5 inch extended prop hub..............This put the
> >= > engine CG
> > > ahead
> > >
> > &= gt; the 30 degree mount focal point  of approx 14.25 inches so the > > 18
> > > degree
> > > mount was design= ed to again put the engine CG slightly behind
> > the
> &g= t; > 18 degree
> > >
> > > focal point........= .....If your Cardinal has the type 2 , 18
> > > degree  m= ount
> > > then it
> > >
> > > proba= bly has a 0-320 with the extra pop hub length..........If
> > not=
> > > maybeCessna
> > >
> > > got a= good deal on this particular 0-320 engine model back
> > > then.........Ifby
> > >
> > > chance your C= ardinal has an 0-360 then all bets are off as I
> > > haven't = heard
> > >
> > > of a 0-360 model with the Type = 2 , 18 degree
> > mount............<:)
> > >
= > > >
> > >
> > >    = ; As for the 93-95 13BREW front side plate Bryan may have
> > fou= nd
> > > us an
> > >
> > > unservice= able one............We will see............As many of
> > > th= ese engnes
> > > that
> > >
> > > ha= ve been over-heated , over-boosted and over-reved we should
> be > > > able to
> > >
> > > come up with = a junk one.............
> > >
> > >
> >= >
> > > Thanks Marc,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Kelly Troyer
> >= > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> > >
> > > "= 13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> > > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> > >= ; "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> > >
> > > "T= URBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> > >
> > >
> >= ; >
> > >
> > >
> > >  _____=  
> > >
> > > From: Marc Wiese <cardmarc@= charter.net>
> > > To: keltro@att.net
> > > Se= nt: Thu, May 5, 2011 8:40:02 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [FlyRotary]= Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd
> > Needed)
> > &= gt;
> > > Kelly,
> > >
> > > I also = have a type II dynafocal engine mount (from a Cardinal
> > RG!)..=
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Marc Wiese = [cardmarc@charter.net]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:37= PM
> > > To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft'; 'keltro@att.net' > > > Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side = Hsd
> > Needed)
> > >
> > >
> &g= t; >
> > > I may have one of those 13Brew "front plates", b= ut it is
> > "useable".
> > >
> > > I t= oo would like a dynafocal type II mount...for both of my
> > >= 13Brews and the
> > > 20B.
> > >
> > &= gt; Marc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> = > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > On
> > > Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
> > > Sent:= Wednesday, May 04, 2011 6:09 PM
> > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate = (93-95 Front Side Hsd
> > Needed)
> > >
> >= ; >
> > >
> > > To The Rotary Group,
> = > >
> > >     Yes I know I am a trou= blemaker (too much computer time
> > > available with
>= > > my day job) and some of you are probably sick of all my posts > > > !!.............."But" with that being said one of our grou= p is
> > > seriouslyconsidering the development of a "Mistral"= type
> > >
> > > back-plate to allow the use of = a standard "Lycoming"
> "Dynafocal
> > > type 1"
&g= t; > > engine mount ring that will be a virtual "Bolt-on" to the
= > > >
> > > 93-95 13BREW , Cosmo 13B & 20B and th= e Renesis 13B
> > > Rotarys.............Several builders and potentials have
> > indicated
> > > th= ey
> > > would be interested in such a back-plate (including <= BR>> > > me)............I have
> > > one of the few "= Mistral" back-plates that ended up in the
> > >
> > = > hands of experimenters (waited 2 years for it)..........It is
>= > > severely over
> > > engineered for our use (and ove= rpriced) and has many
> > >
> > > features we do = not need...........
> > >
> > >
> > >= ;
> > >    If you have followed "Back-plate" st= ring of posts recently
> > you
> > > know that
&= gt; > > Jarrett Johnson one our group with aspirations to
> &g= t; >
> > > install a Cosmo 20B in his project started the d= iscussion
> first
> > > about an
> > > developing an intake manifold for 13B & 20B Rotarys
> >= >
> > > (which needs to be done also) then I jumped in and= said that a
> > > common engine
> > > mount desi= gn might also be needed and if
> > >
> > > you ha= ve been reading the posts lately a lot of info has been
> > > = kicked around
> > > about the various Rotarys and what it will= take to "Marry" the
> > > "Mistral"back-plate with a "RX8 "Re= nesis" water-pump (with the
> > > magic of digital
> &g= t; > scanning & CAD) to design
> > >
> > >= such a back-plate.........
> > >
> > >
> = > >
> > >     Those that have been o= n the Rotary forum for several years
> > > may remember
&g= t; > > Jarrett posting his trials and tribulations in
> > >
> > > building a huge CAM mill (at home)...........= ..He is a
> > commercial
> > > designerwith the tale= nt and equipment (including foundry)
> > >
> > > = to pull this off............I have offered my "Mistral" back-
> >= plate
> > > to be
> > > scanned (He trying to fi= nd someone here in Okla to do
> > >
> > > the&nbs= p; job) and I also have a "Renesis" front cover to
> > > scan.= ...........What we
> > > really need now is a 93-95 13BREW fro= nt side
> > >
> > > housing (unusable condition p= referred as long as front side is
> > > undamaged) to
>= > > put in his hands as this is what the back-plate
> > &g= t;
> > > will bolt to..............If someone in the group has= an
> > unusable
> > > 93-95
> > > 13BREW front side housing they will donate I will pay
> > &= gt;
> > > to have it shipped to Jarrett..............You may c= ontact me
> > off
> > > the forum
> > >= if you would prefer..........I have no horse in this race
> > &g= t;
> > > I would just like to see such a product be made avail= able to
> the
> > > group..........
> > > =
> > >
> > >
> > > keltro@att.net > > >
> > >   
> > > > > > Kelly Troyer
> > > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventuall= y)
> > >
> > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> >= > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> > > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifol= d
> > >
> > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
>= > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  _____ 
> > >=
> > > From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
> >= > To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> > > > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 11:45:09 PM
> > > Subje= ct: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate
> > >
> > > Jarret= t,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > &= gt;    Will be a good idea to scan both the Mistral and Rene= sis
> > > housings.............You really need
> > &= gt;
> > > a 93-95 13BREW (preferably) or Cosmo 20B front housi= ng to
> > > scan.............Most of my 13B
> > >=
> > > engines are 86-91.............My Cosmo 13B is adaptable= but
> > lacks
> > > some of
> > > the = machined bolt
> > >
> > > and stud pads of the 13BREW, Renesis or Cosmo 20B front side
> > > housing whi= ch
> > > you need
> > >
> > > to mak= e allowances for on the redesigned back-plate if you
> want
>= > it
> > > to fit
> > > all three versions of=
> > >
> > > these engines..................Throw= this out to the group and
> > see if
> > > someone = has a 1993-95
> > >
> > > 13BREW front side hsg (= need not be usable) they would donate
> or
> > > lend t= o the
> > > project.........
> > >
> > = >
> > >
> > >   You really need this= front side housing in front of
> > > you......... Even
&g= t; > > with all the scans nothing
> > >
> > &g= t; beats having the actual hardware............IMHO
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Best Regards= ,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > &g= t; Kelly Troyer
> > > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> &= gt; >
> > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> > > "RWS"_R= D1C/EC2/EM2
> > > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> &g= t; >
> > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> > > > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > <= BR>> > >  _____ 
> > >
> > > F= rom: H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
> > > To:= Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> >= ; > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:03 PM
> > > Subject: [FlyR= otary] Re: Back-plate
> > >
> > > Evening Kelly, = so just thought I'd send a note w/ an update. I
> > did
> > > find a
> > > fella in Tulsa who has access= to a laser scanner. He's getting
> > me some
> > > = pricing
> > >
> > > on what it would cost to get = the job done. I'm thinking it
> might
> > > be a good <= BR>> > > idea to get both the Mistral housing as well as a Renisis=
> Front
> > Cover
> > > scanned?
> &g= t; >
> > > I'd like to get an Iron [preferably the side tha= t mates to the
> > > front cover]
> > > scanned a= s well but don't know if you've got one handy [as in,
> > not > > > 'in' an
> > > engine]. I could always
>= > >
> > > do it here in time but that might take a bit = before I get my
> > hands
> > > on one
> >= > that is not in an engine.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'll keep you posted as this go= es and see where we get.
> > >
> > > Jarrett John= son
> > > www.innovention-tech.com <http://www.innovention-= tech.com/> 
> > >
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