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Sounds good. I'll give Rx7 Special a call here yet today and see where we get. Also.. do you think you could have the Mistral parts as well as the Renisis front cover up to Tulsa by thursday if I had an address for you? I'll refund all your shipping costs [you use Paypal?]

The fella up there has a window where he may be able to get it done next week.

Also, do you have a Renisis water pump?

Jarrett Johnson
www.innovention-tech.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>

Date: Friday, May 6, 2011 3:10 pm

Subject: [FlyRotary] Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)

> Jarrett,
>      I have a E mail out to a guy in Texas..........Waiting for a
> reply
> Kelly Troyer
> "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 3:50:57 PM
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)
>
>
> Thanks Bryan, that is a bit steep for just a sample part I think
> :) I guess I
> could use that for a starting point to build a ground up engine
> but I'd prefer
> not to build an engine part by part.
> I just had a idea pop in my head and that is the guy in Calgary
> who is a rotor
> head [Rx7 specialty??] I'm pretty sure he would have a ruined
> housing or two..
> whether I can deal w/ him or not I dunno.
>
> The last time I contacted him he was wanting crazy prices for
> ruined parts [not
> scrap value for certain]. I'll have to call and see..
>
> Jarrett Johnson
> www.innovention-tech.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Winberry
> <bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net>
> Date: Friday, May 6, 2011 2:47 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-
> plate (93-95
> Front Side Hsd Needed) > Jarrett,
>
> >
> > Paul at Mazmart said that a new one was around 500!
> >
> > So, it looks like we need to find a ruined unit.
> >
> > I have one more guy I think I'll call, but doubt he has one.
> >
> > Bryan
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
> > Behalf Of H & J Johnson
> > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:39 PM
> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd
> Needed)
> >
> >
> >
> > Bryan, I think for the Iron I'd like to get my hands on one to
> > keep. If it
> > has to be a serviceable one.. that would be 'ok', however the
> > preference[due to cost] would be to get a un-servicable one,
> > granted its not TOO
> > warped or something. I would use this for mock up and assembly
> > testing of
> > the actual mount housing etc.
> >
> > Jarrett Johnson
> > www.innovention-tech.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Bryan Winberry <bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net>
> >
> > Date: Friday, May 6, 2011 11:20 am
> >
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd
> Needed)
> >
> > > Unfortunately, Mazmart did not have a third gen front plate.
> > They
> > > mighthave had a serviceable one, but probably didn't want to
> > take
> > > a chance on not
> > > seeing it again. If someone else doesn't come up with one,
> > > perhaps I can
> > > try again. Jarrett, how long would you need the piece? Or
> were
> > > you hoping
> > > to hang on to it?
> > >
> > > Bryan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
> > > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 2:24 AM
> > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Marc,
> > >
> > >       The Mistral backplate is for a Dynafocal Type 1 , 30
> > degree
> > > mountring
> > >
> > > which is standard for most Lycoming 0-320 & all 0 & I0-360
> > engines
> > > (that I
> > >
> > > am aware of))..............The Dynafocal Type 2 , 18 degree
> > mount
> > > ring was
> > >
> > > designed for a specific 0-320 engine installed in the Twin
> > > Comanche with
> > >
> > > an extra 2.5 inch extended prop hub..............This put the
> > > engine CG
> > > ahead
> > >
> > > the 30 degree mount focal point of approx 14.25 inches so the
> > 18
> > > degree
> > > mount was designed to again put the engine CG slightly behind
> > the
> > > 18 degree
> > >
> > > focal point.............If your Cardinal has the type 2 , 18
> > > degree mount
> > > then it
> > >
> > > probably has a 0-320 with the extra pop hub length..........If
> > not
> > > maybeCessna
> > >
> > > got a good deal on this particular 0-320 engine model back
> > > then.........Ifby
> > >
> > > chance your Cardinal has an 0-360 then all bets are off as I
> > > haven't heard
> > >
> > > of a 0-360 model with the Type 2 , 18 degree
> > mount............<:)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >     As for the 93-95 13BREW front side plate Bryan may have
> > found
> > > us an
> > >
> > > unserviceable one............We will see............As many of
> > > these engnes
> > > that
> > >
> > > have been over-heated , over-boosted and over-reved we should
> be
> > > able to
> > >
> > > come up with a junk one.............
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks Marc,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Kelly Troyer
> > > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> > >
> > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> > > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> > > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> > >
> > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: Marc Wiese <cardmarc@charter.net>
> > > To: keltro@att.net
> > > Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 8:40:02 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd
> > Needed)
> > >
> > > Kelly,
> > >
> > > I also have a type II dynafocal engine mount (from a Cardinal
> > RG!)..
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Marc Wiese [cardmarc@charter.net]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:37 PM
> > > To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft'; 'keltro@att.net'
> > > Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd
> > Needed)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I may have one of those 13Brew "front plates", but it is
> > "useable".
> > >
> > > I too would like a dynafocal type II mount...for both of my
> > > 13Brews and the
> > > 20B.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
> On
> > > Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 6:09 PM
> > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd
> > Needed)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > To The Rotary Group,
> > >
> > >     Yes I know I am a troublemaker (too much computer time
> > > available with
> > > my day job) and some of you are probably sick of all my posts
> > > !!.............."But" with that being said one of our group is
> > > seriouslyconsidering the development of a "Mistral" type
> > >
> > > back-plate to allow the use of a standard "Lycoming"
> "Dynafocal
> > > type 1"
> > > engine mount ring that will be a virtual "Bolt-on" to the
> > >
> > > 93-95 13BREW , Cosmo 13B & 20B and the Renesis 13B
> > > Rotarys.............Several builders and potentials have
> > indicated
> > > they
> > > would be interested in such a back-plate (including
> > > me)............I have
> > > one of the few "Mistral" back-plates that ended up in the
> > >
> > > hands of experimenters (waited 2 years for it)..........It is
> > > severely over
> > > engineered for our use (and overpriced) and has many
> > >
> > > features we do not need...........
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >    If you have followed "Back-plate" string of posts recently
> > you
> > > know that
> > > Jarrett Johnson one our group with aspirations to
> > >
> > > install a Cosmo 20B in his project started the discussion
> first
> > > about an
> > > developing an intake manifold for 13B & 20B Rotarys
> > >
> > > (which needs to be done also) then I jumped in and said that a
> > > common engine
> > > mount design might also be needed and if
> > >
> > > you have been reading the posts lately a lot of info has been
> > > kicked around
> > > about the various Rotarys and what it will take to "Marry" the
> > > "Mistral"back-plate with a "RX8 "Renesis" water-pump (with the
> > > magic of digital
> > > scanning & CAD) to design
> > >
> > > such a back-plate.........
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >     Those that have been on the Rotary forum for several years
> > > may remember
> > > Jarrett posting his trials and tribulations in
> > >
> > > building a huge CAM mill (at home).............He is a
> > commercial
> > > designerwith the talent and equipment (including foundry)
> > >
> > > to pull this off............I have offered my "Mistral" back-
> > plate
> > > to be
> > > scanned (He trying to find someone here in Okla to do
> > >
> > > the job) and I also have a "Renesis" front cover to
> > > scan............What we
> > > really need now is a 93-95 13BREW front side
> > >
> > > housing (unusable condition preferred as long as front side is
> > > undamaged) to
> > > put in his hands as this is what the back-plate
> > >
> > > will bolt to..............If someone in the group has an
> > unusable
> > > 93-95
> > > 13BREW front side housing they will donate I will pay
> > >
> > > to have it shipped to Jarrett..............You may contact me
> > off
> > > the forum
> > > if you would prefer..........I have no horse in this race
> > >
> > > I would just like to see such a product be made available to
> the
> > > group..........
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > keltro@att.net
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Kelly Troyer
> > > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> > >
> > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> > > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> > > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> > >
> > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
> > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 11:45:09 PM
> > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate
> > >
> > > Jarrett,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >    Will be a good idea to scan both the Mistral and Renesis
> > > housings.............You really need
> > >
> > > a 93-95 13BREW (preferably) or Cosmo 20B front housing to
> > > scan.............Most of my 13B
> > >
> > > engines are 86-91.............My Cosmo 13B is adaptable but
> > lacks
> > > some of
> > > the machined bolt
> > >
> > > and stud pads of the 13BREW, Renesis or Cosmo 20B front side
> > > housing which
> > > you need
> > >
> > > to make allowances for on the redesigned back-plate if you
> want
> > it
> > > to fit
> > > all three versions of
> > >
> > > these engines..................Throw this out to the group and
> > see if
> > > someone has a 1993-95
> > >
> > > 13BREW front side hsg (need not be usable) they would donate
> or
> > > lend to the
> > > project.........
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >   You really need this front side housing in front of
> > > you......... Even
> > > with all the scans nothing
> > >
> > > beats having the actual hardware............IMHO
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Kelly Troyer
> > > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> > >
> > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> > > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> > > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> > >
> > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
> > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:03 PM
> > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate
> > >
> > > Evening Kelly, so just thought I'd send a note w/ an update. I
> > did
> > > find a
> > > fella in Tulsa who has access to a laser scanner. He's getting
> > me some
> > > pricing
> > >
> > > on what it would cost to get the job done. I'm thinking it
> might
> > > be a good
> > > idea to get both the Mistral housing as well as a Renisis
> Front
> > Cover
> > > scanned?
> > >
> > > I'd like to get an Iron [preferably the side that mates to the
> > > front cover]
> > > scanned as well but don't know if you've got one handy [as in,
> > not
> > > 'in' an
> > > engine]. I could always
> > >
> > > do it here in time but that might take a bit before I get my
> > hands
> > > on one
> > > that is not in an engine.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I'll keep you posted as this goes and see where we get.
> > >
> > > Jarrett Johnson
> > > www.innovention-tech.com <http://www.innovention-tech.com/>
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