X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm23-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with SMTP id 4969302 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 06 May 2011 17:11:08 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.180; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.44.103] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2011 21:10:35 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.78] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2011 21:10:34 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1015.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2011 21:10:34 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 953968.84512.bm@omp1015.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 82725 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2011 21:10:18 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1304716214; bh=Vy7Tf6q81OORerwCNOc/ue3YaAtBjb/2kourEuZTVEM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=0CAsikcevxSCNIXHRIuxAXa2EJTvoQRmagN3c9hXMXmWj5EZWtnNc3cc4WZJOf4wBF0+WI7XaQA8XzfwV983hQp7Kgpq9SmUJlgLcAhnzkrOQi4CLwfVcFiD6dn4En7w1iSmpQQ+pbg9Lsf61HzZFrdEDED0l+qtydlhaS0Ju+c= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Iv1FGq0tIa7YWBVF6EEiNo17aYMMMvCi0YE9rCeQQ8Pnbyr+HO7AO5cHO2wWrCGWfeKs5eVAkauSbq5L2ie+aQsMtnuEXhRR3unmUE6XoPspSffJqrH6ZJC9D2zyYEYMSosGrhW3dCG/yh9l9xQiHFKpAWfEjj+DoqScz9ilMP4=; Message-ID: <945696.42005.qm@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: beKMP88VM1lqSZWQW2XaQ7qSNl76C1FqyJBLIRpClkeS7vX z2FSAyaGpHqloqoCZ4AV5gn_C6nbJTDH6Ssc.0R6Ob97SrPpH0KPdfEsch6v 2lsr6WPeVYvMEbGp0l_k7YoJtPsa8WY3BA9gp6CTv2GtaXZPVH2jH7SB83gG OFKblVyJUySLGnSVcPiaCqqWWwX4wDtly6z5W6uB15tJx.VR0.s9M5uDfZin SRc6VWwHBcYsFnuFiGEgWhjIXBOKatlBXFGWiEepNLa3Fytd35NSaOHvPvtf JtJcoqLZrJJMYdln2AebYBbriiX.MBo8F2.wl9E9p3WXElLUpS2jcfZD0gi4 BgAU_SD9z8ldW0_Y7abuN8OXH8_jXrM6lkw8xfkYfv1M2nkcuEHE2.g_fhO8 7pM92_LlUBBnvVSXrqyMtoUcnCMLVDvEBGAW8OF1iMxqaqSdhg6MYBvwItbq H5wukys._e00tX5lpkA.IDSNlisObSKAT1A-- Received: from [208.114.43.64] by web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 May 2011 14:10:14 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.110.299900 References: Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 14:10:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-453777633-1304716214=:42005" --0-453777633-1304716214=:42005 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jarrett,=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0 I have a E mail out to a guy in Texas..........Wait= ing for a reply=0A=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B= ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A= "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________= =0AFrom: H & J Johnson =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircr= aft =0ASent: Fri, May 6, 2011 3:50:57 PM=0ASub= ject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)=0A=0A=0AThan= ks Bryan, that is a bit steep for just a sample part I think :)=A0 I guess = I =0Acould use that for a starting point to build a ground up engine but I'= d prefer =0Anot to build an engine part by part.=0AI just had a idea pop in= my head and that is the guy in Calgary who is a rotor =0Ahead [Rx7 special= ty??] I'm pretty sure he would have a ruined housing or two.. =0Awhether I = can deal w/ him or not I dunno. =0A=0AThe last time I contacted him he was = wanting crazy prices for ruined parts [not =0Ascrap value for certain]. I'l= l have to call and see..=0A=0AJarrett Johnson =0Awww.innovention-tech.com = =0A=0A----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Winberry =0ADate: Friday, May 6, 2011 2:47 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ba= ck-plate (93-95 =0AFront Side Hsd Needed) > Jarrett, =0A=0A> =0A> Paul at M= azmart said that a new one was around 500! =0A> =0A> So, it looks like we n= eed to find a ruined unit. =0A> =0A> I have one more guy I think I'll call,= but doubt he has one. =0A> =0A> Bryan =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>=A0 _____=A0 =0A>= =0A> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On =0A>= Behalf Of H & J Johnson =0A> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:39 PM =0A> To: R= otary motors in aircraft =0A> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Fr= ont Side Hsd Needed) =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Bryan, I think for the Iron I'd li= ke to get my hands on one to =0A> keep. If it =0A> has to be a serviceable = one.. that would be 'ok', however the =0A> preference[due to cost] would be= to get a un-servicable one, =0A> granted its not TOO =0A> warped or someth= ing. I would use this for mock up and assembly =0A> testing of =0A> the act= ual mount housing etc. =0A> =0A> Jarrett Johnson =0A> www.innovention-tech.= com =0A> =0A> ----- Original Message ----- =0A> =0A> From: Bryan Winberry <= bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net> =0A> =0A> Date: Friday, May 6, 2011 11:20 am = =0A> =0A> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)= =0A> =0A> > Unfortunately, Mazmart did not have a third gen front plate.= =A0 =0A> They =0A> > mighthave had a serviceable one, but probably didn't w= ant to =0A> take =0A> > a chance on not =0A> > seeing it again.=A0 If someo= ne else doesn't come up with one, =0A> > perhaps I can =0A> > try again.=A0= Jarrett, how long would you need the piece?=A0 Or were =0A> > you hoping = =0A> > to hang on to it? =0A> > =0A> > Bryan =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> >=A0= _____=A0 =0A> > =0A> > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancairo= nline.net] On =0A> > Behalf Of Kelly Troyer =0A> > Sent: Friday, May 06, 20= 11 2:24 AM =0A> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A> > Subject: [FlyRotary]= Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > Marc,= =0A> > =0A> >=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 The Mistral backplate is for a Dynafocal T= ype 1 , 30 =0A> degree =0A> > mountring =0A> > =0A> > which is standard for= most Lycoming 0-320 & all 0 & I0-360 =0A> engines =0A> > (that I =0A> > = =0A> > am aware of))..............The Dynafocal Type 2 , 18 degree =0A> mou= nt =0A> > ring was =0A> > =0A> > designed for a specific 0-320 engine insta= lled in the Twin =0A> > Comanche with =0A> > =0A> > an extra 2.5 inch exten= ded prop hub..............This put the =0A> > engine CG =0A> > ahead =0A> >= =0A> > the 30 degree mount focal point=A0 of approx 14.25 inches so the = =0A> 18 =0A> > degree =0A> > mount was designed to again put the engine CG = slightly behind =0A> the =0A> > 18 degree =0A> > =0A> > focal point........= .....If your Cardinal has the type 2 , 18 =0A> > degree=A0 mount =0A> > the= n it =0A> > =0A> > probably has a 0-320 with the extra pop hub length......= ....If =0A> not =0A> > maybeCessna =0A> > =0A> > got a good deal on this pa= rticular 0-320 engine model back =0A> > then.........Ifby =0A> > =0A> > cha= nce your Cardinal has an 0-360 then all bets are off as I =0A> > haven't he= ard =0A> > =0A> > of a 0-360 model with the Type 2 , 18 degree =0A> mount..= ..........<:) =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> >=A0=A0=A0=A0 As for the 93-95 13BR= EW front side plate Bryan may have =0A> found =0A> > us an =0A> > =0A> > un= serviceable one............We will see............As many of =0A> > these e= ngnes =0A> > that =0A> > =0A> > have been over-heated , over-boosted and ov= er-reved we should be =0A> > able to =0A> > =0A> > come up with a junk one.= ............ =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > Thanks Marc, =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > = =0A> > Kelly Troyer =0A> > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) =0A> > =0A> > "13B= ROTARY"_ Engine =0A> > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 =0A> > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil M= anifold =0A> > =0A> > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> = > =0A> > =0A> >=A0 _____=A0 =0A> > =0A> > From: Marc Wiese =0A> > To: keltro@att.net =0A> > Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 8:40:02 PM = =0A> > Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd =0A> N= eeded) =0A> > =0A> > Kelly, =0A> > =0A> > I also have a type II dynafocal e= ngine mount (from a Cardinal =0A> RG!).. =0A> > =0A> > Marc =0A> > =0A> > = =0A> > =0A> > From: Marc Wiese [cardmarc@charter.net] =0A> > Sent: Thursday= , May 05, 2011 8:37 PM =0A> > To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft'; 'keltro@att.= net' =0A> > Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd = =0A> Needed) =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > I may have one of those 13Brew "fr= ont plates", but it is =0A> "useable". =0A> > =0A> > I too would like a dyn= afocal type II mount...for both of my =0A> > 13Brews and the =0A> > 20B. = =0A> > =0A> > Marc =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > From: Rotary motors in aircr= aft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On =0A> > Behalf Of Kelly Troyer =0A> > S= ent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 6:09 PM =0A> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft = =0A> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd =0A> Neede= d) =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > To The Rotary Group, =0A> > =0A> >=A0=A0=A0= =A0 Yes I know I am a troublemaker (too much computer time =0A> > available= with =0A> > my day job) and some of you are probably sick of all my posts = =0A> > !!.............."But" with that being said one of our group is =0A> = > seriouslyconsidering the development of a "Mistral" type =0A> > =0A> > ba= ck-plate to allow the use of a standard "Lycoming" "Dynafocal =0A> > type 1= " =0A> > engine mount ring that will be a virtual "Bolt-on" to the =0A> > = =0A> > 93-95 13BREW , Cosmo 13B & 20B and the Renesis 13B =0A> > Rotarys...= ..........Several builders and potentials have =0A> indicated =0A> > they = =0A> > would be interested in such a back-plate (including =0A> > me)......= ......I have =0A> > one of the few "Mistral" back-plates that ended up in t= he =0A> > =0A> > hands of experimenters (waited 2 years for it)..........It= is =0A> > severely over =0A> > engineered for our use (and overpriced) and= has many =0A> > =0A> > features we do not need........... =0A> > =0A> > = =0A> > =0A> >=A0=A0=A0 If you have followed "Back-plate" string of posts re= cently =0A> you =0A> > know that =0A> > Jarrett Johnson one our group with = aspirations to =0A> > =0A> > install a Cosmo 20B in his project started the= discussion first =0A> > about an =0A> > developing an intake manifold for = 13B & 20B Rotarys =0A> > =0A> > (which needs to be done also) then I jumped= in and said that a =0A> > common engine =0A> > mount design might also be = needed and if =0A> > =0A> > you have been reading the posts lately a lot of= info has been =0A> > kicked around =0A> > about the various Rotarys and wh= at it will take to "Marry" the =0A> > "Mistral"back-plate with a "RX8 "Rene= sis" water-pump (with the =0A> > magic of digital =0A> > scanning & CAD) to= design =0A> > =0A> > such a back-plate......... =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> = >=A0=A0=A0=A0 Those that have been on the Rotary forum for several years = =0A> > may remember =0A> > Jarrett posting his trials and tribulations in = =0A> > =0A> > building a huge CAM mill (at home).............He is a =0A> c= ommercial =0A> > designerwith the talent and equipment (including foundry) = =0A> > =0A> > to pull this off............I have offered my "Mistral" back-= =0A> plate =0A> > to be =0A> > scanned (He trying to find someone here in = Okla to do =0A> > =0A> > the=A0 job) and I also have a "Renesis" front cove= r to =0A> > scan............What we =0A> > really need now is a 93-95 13BRE= W front side =0A> > =0A> > housing (unusable condition preferred as long as= front side is =0A> > undamaged) to =0A> > put in his hands as this is what= the back-plate =0A> > =0A> > will bolt to..............If someone in the g= roup has an =0A> unusable =0A> > 93-95 =0A> > 13BREW front side housing the= y will donate I will pay =0A> > =0A> > to have it shipped to Jarrett.......= .......You may contact me =0A> off =0A> > the forum =0A> > if you would pre= fer..........I have no horse in this race =0A> > =0A> > I would just like t= o see such a product be made available to the =0A> > group.......... =0A> >= =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > keltro@att.net =0A> > =0A> >=A0=A0=A0 =0A> > =0A> > K= elly Troyer =0A> > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) =0A> > =0A> > "13B ROTARY"= _ Engine =0A> > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 =0A> > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold = =0A> > =0A> > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> >= =0A> >=A0 _____=A0 =0A> > =0A> > From: Kelly Troyer =0A> = > To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A> > Sent: = Tue, May 3, 2011 11:45:09 PM =0A> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate =0A= > > =0A> > Jarrett, =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> >=A0=A0=A0 Will be a good ide= a to scan both the Mistral and Renesis =0A> > housings.............You real= ly need =0A> > =0A> > a 93-95 13BREW (preferably) or Cosmo 20B front housin= g to =0A> > scan.............Most of my 13B =0A> > =0A> > engines are 86-91= .............My Cosmo 13B is adaptable but =0A> lacks =0A> > some of =0A> >= the machined bolt =0A> > =0A> > and stud pads of the 13BREW, Renesis or Co= smo 20B front side =0A> > housing which =0A> > you need =0A> > =0A> > to ma= ke allowances for on the redesigned back-plate if you want =0A> it =0A> > t= o fit =0A> > all three versions of =0A> > =0A> > these engines.............= .....Throw this out to the group and =0A> see if =0A> > someone has a 1993-= 95 =0A> > =0A> > 13BREW front side hsg (need not be usable) they would dona= te or =0A> > lend to the =0A> > project......... =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> = >=A0=A0 You really need this front side housing in front of =0A> > you.....= .... Even =0A> > with all the scans nothing =0A> > =0A> > beats having the = actual hardware............IMHO =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > Best Regards, = =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > Kelly Troyer =0A> > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventuall= y) =0A> > =0A> > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine =0A> > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 =0A> > "MIS= TRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold =0A> > =0A> > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo =0A> = > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> >=A0 _____=A0 =0A> > =0A> > From: H & J = Johnson =0A> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A> > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:03 PM =0A> > Su= bject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate =0A> > =0A> > Evening Kelly, so just thou= ght I'd send a note w/ an update. I =0A> did =0A> > find a =0A> > fella in = Tulsa who has access to a laser scanner. He's getting =0A> me some =0A> > p= ricing =0A> > =0A> > on what it would cost to get the job done. I'm thinkin= g it might =0A> > be a good =0A> > idea to get both the Mistral housing as = well as a Renisis Front =0A> Cover =0A> > scanned? =0A> > =0A> > I'd like t= o get an Iron [preferably the side that mates to the =0A> > front cover] = =0A> > scanned as well but don't know if you've got one handy [as in, =0A> = not =0A> > 'in' an =0A> > engine]. I could always =0A> > =0A> > do it here = in time but that might take a bit before I get my =0A> hands =0A> > on one = =0A> > that is not in an engine. =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > =0A> > I'll keep you = posted as this goes and see where we get. =0A> > =0A> > Jarrett Johnson =0A= > > www.innovention-tech.com =A0 =0A> > = =0A> > --=A0=A0=A0 Homepage:=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/=A0=A0=A0 Archive = and UnSub: =0A> > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.htm= l =0A> > =0A> =0A> =0A> -- =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Homepage:=A0 http://www.flyr= otary.com/ =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> Archive and UnSub: =0A> http://mail.lancairo= nline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html =0A> =0A-- Homepage: http://www.fl= yrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: =0Ahttp://mail.lancaironline.net:81/list= s/flyrotary/List.html --0-453777633-1304716214=:42005 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Jarrett,
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     I ha= ve a E mail out to a guy in Texas..........Waiting for a reply
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Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"= RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONETICS= "_TO4E50 Turbo

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=0AFrom: H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrota= ry@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 3:50:57 PM
= Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed= )

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Thanks Bryan, that is a bit steep for just a sample p= art I think :)  I guess I could use that for a starting point to build= a ground up engine but I'd prefer not to build an engine part by part.

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I just had a idea pop in my head and that is the guy in Calgary who i= s a rotor head [Rx7 specialty??] I'm pretty sure he would have a ruined hou= sing or two.. whether I can deal w/ him or not I dunno.

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The last = time I contacted him he was wanting crazy prices for ruined parts [not scra= p value for certain]. I'll have to call and see..

Jarrett Johnson www.innovent= ion-tech.com

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----- Original Message ----- = =0A

From: Bryan Winberry <bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net> = =0A

Date: Friday, May 6, 2011 2:47 pm =0A

Subject= : [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) =0A

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=

> Jarrett,
>
> Paul at Mazmart said that a new one was= around 500!
>
> So, it looks like we need to find a ruined u= nit.
>
> I have one more guy I think I'll call, but doubt he = has one.
>
> Bryan
>
>
>
>  = _____ 
>
> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@la= ncaironline.net] On
> Behalf Of H & J Johnson
> Sent: Fri= day, May 06, 2011 4:39 PM
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> S= ubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)
> <= BR>>
>
> Bryan, I think for the Iron I'd like to get my ha= nds on one to
> keep. If it
> has to be a serviceable one.. t= hat would be 'ok', however the
> preference[due to cost] would be to= get a un-servicable one,
> granted its not TOO
> warped or s= omething. I would use this for mock up and assembly
> testing of
> the actual mount housing etc.
>
> Jarret= t Johnson
> www.innovention-tech.com
>
> ----- Origina= l Message -----
>
> From: Bryan Winberry <bryanwinberry@be= llsouth.net>
>
> Date: Friday, May 6, 2011 11:20 am
&g= t;
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Neede= d)
>
> > Unfortunately, Mazmart did not have a third gen f= ront plate. 
> They
> > mighthave had a serviceable o= ne, but probably didn't want to
> take
> > a chance on not=
> > seeing it again.  If someone else doesn't come up with = one,
> > perhaps I can
> > try again.  Jarrett, ho= w long would you need the piece?  Or were
> > you hoping > > to hang on to it?
> >
> > Bryan
> >= ;
> >
> >
> >  _____ 
> >
> > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lan= caironline.net] On
> > Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
> > Sent:= Friday, May 06, 2011 2:24 AM
> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft <= BR>> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) =
> >
> >
> >
> > Marc,
> >=
> >       The Mistral backplate is= for a Dynafocal Type 1 , 30
> degree
> > mountring
&g= t; >
> > which is standard for most Lycoming 0-320 & all 0= & I0-360
> engines
> > (that I
> >
>= > am aware of))..............The Dynafocal Type 2 , 18 degree
> = mount
> > ring was
> >
> > designed for a spe= cific 0-320 engine installed in the Twin
> > Comanche with
&g= t; >
> > an extra 2.5 inch extended prop hub..............This put the
> > engine CG
> > ahead =
> >
> > the 30 degree mount focal point  of approx= 14.25 inches so the
> 18
> > degree
> > mount w= as designed to again put the engine CG slightly behind
> the
>= ; > 18 degree
> >
> > focal point.............If you= r Cardinal has the type 2 , 18
> > degree  mount
> &g= t; then it
> >
> > probably has a 0-320 with the extra = pop hub length..........If
> not
> > maybeCessna
> = >
> > got a good deal on this particular 0-320 engine model ba= ck
> > then.........Ifby
> >
> > chance your = Cardinal has an 0-360 then all bets are off as I
> > haven't hear= d
> >
> > of a 0-360 model with the Type 2 , 18 degree =
> mount............<:)
> >
> >
> >
> >     As for the 93-95 13BRE= W front side plate Bryan may have
> found
> > us an
&g= t; >
> > unserviceable one............We will see............A= s many of
> > these engnes
> > that
> >
&= gt; > have been over-heated , over-boosted and over-reved we should be <= BR>> > able to
> >
> > come up with a junk one...= ..........
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks M= arc,
> >
> >
> >
> > Kelly Troyer <= BR>> > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> >
> > "13B= ROTARY"_ Engine
> > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> > "MISTRAL"_B= ackplate/Oil Manifold
> >
> > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turb= o
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > >  _____ 
> >
> > From: Marc Wiese <cardmarc@charter.net>
> > To: keltro@att.net
&g= t; > Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 8:40:02 PM
> > Subject: RE: [FlyRo= tary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd
> Needed)
> > <= BR>> > Kelly,
> >
> > I also have a type II dynaf= ocal engine mount (from a Cardinal
> RG!)..
> >
> &= gt; Marc
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Marc= Wiese [cardmarc@charter.net]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:= 37 PM
> > To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft'; 'keltro@att.net'
&= gt; > Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd
= > Needed)
> >
> >
> >
> > I may = have one of those 13Brew "front plates", but it is
> "useable".
= > >
> > I too would like a dynafocal type II mount...for bo= th of my
> > 13Brews and the
> > 20B.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> >
>= > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
= > > Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 201= 1 6:09 PM
> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> > Subject= : [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd
> Needed)
>= ; >
> >
> >
> > To The Rotary Group,
&= gt; >
> >     Yes I know I am a troublemak= er (too much computer time
> > available with
> > my da= y job) and some of you are probably sick of all my posts
> > !!..= ............"But" with that being said one of our group is
> > se= riouslyconsidering the development of a "Mistral" type
> >
&g= t; > back-plate to allow the use of a standard "Lycoming" "Dynafocal > > type 1"
> > engine mount ring that will be a virtual "Bolt-on" to the
> >
> > 93-95 13BREW , Cosmo = 13B & 20B and the Renesis 13B
> > Rotarys.............Several= builders and potentials have
> indicated
> > they
>= ; > would be interested in such a back-plate (including
> > me= )............I have
> > one of the few "Mistral" back-plates that= ended up in the
> >
> > hands of experimenters (waited= 2 years for it)..........It is
> > severely over
> > e= ngineered for our use (and overpriced) and has many
> >
> = > features we do not need...........
> >
> >
>= ; >
> >    If you have followed "Back-plate" st= ring of posts recently
> you
> > know that
> > J= arrett Johnson one our group with aspirations to
> >
> >= ; install a Cosmo 20B in his project started the discussion first
> > about an
> > developing an intake manifold for 13B= & 20B Rotarys
> >
> > (which needs to be done also= ) then I jumped in and said that a
> > common engine
> >= ; mount design might also be needed and if
> >
> > you = have been reading the posts lately a lot of info has been
> > kic= ked around
> > about the various Rotarys and what it will take to= "Marry" the
> > "Mistral"back-plate with a "RX8 "Renesis" water-= pump (with the
> > magic of digital
> > scanning & = CAD) to design
> >
> > such a back-plate.........
&= gt; >
> >
> >
> >     = Those that have been on the Rotary forum for several years
> > ma= y remember
> > Jarrett posting his trials and tribulations in > >
> > building a huge CAM mill (at home).............He is a
> commercial
> > designerwith t= he talent and equipment (including foundry)
> >
> > to = pull this off............I have offered my "Mistral" back-
> plate <= BR>> > to be
> > scanned (He trying to find someone here in= Okla to do
> >
> > the  job) and I also have a "R= enesis" front cover to
> > scan............What we
> > = really need now is a 93-95 13BREW front side
> >
> > ho= using (unusable condition preferred as long as front side is
> > = undamaged) to
> > put in his hands as this is what the back-plate=
> >
> > will bolt to..............If someone in the gr= oup has an
> unusable
> > 93-95
> > 13BREW front= side housing they will donate I will pay
> >
> > to ha= ve it shipped to Jarrett..............You may contact me
> off
> > the forum
> > if you would prefer..........I h= ave no horse in this race
> >
> > I would just like to = see such a product be made available to the
> > group.......... <= BR>> >
> >
> >
> > keltro@att.net
&= gt; >
> >   
> >
> > Kelly = Troyer
> > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> >
> &= gt; "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> > "MI= STRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> >
> > "TURBONETICS"_TO4= E50 Turbo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> = >
> >  _____ 
> >
> > From: Kell= y Troyer <keltro@att.net>
> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft= <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 1= 1:45:09 PM
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate
> >
> > Jarrett,
> >
> >
> = >
> >    Will be a good idea to scan both the M= istral and Renesis
> > housings.............You really need
&= gt; >
> > a 93-95 13BREW (preferably) or Cosmo 20B front housi= ng to
> > scan.............Most of my 13B
> >
> = > engines are 86-91.............My Cosmo 13B is adaptable but
> l= acks
> > some of
> > the machined bolt
> > > > and stud pads of the 13BREW, Renesis or Cosmo 20B front side > > housing which
> > you need
> >
> >= ; to make allowances for on the redesigned back-plate if you want
> = it
> > to fit
> > all three versions of
> > <= BR>> > these engines..................Throw this out to the group and=
> see if
> > someone has a 1993-95
> >
> > 13BREW front side hsg (need not be usable) they would donate= or
> > lend to the
> > project.........
> > =
> >
> >
> >   You really need this = front side housing in front of
> > you......... Even
> >= ; with all the scans nothing
> >
> > beats having the a= ctual hardware............IMHO
> >
> >
> > > > Best Regards,
> >
> >
> >
>= ; > Kelly Troyer
> > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> &g= t;
> > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
= > > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> >
> > "TUR= BONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> >
> >
> >
> &= gt;
> >
> >  _____ 
> >
> &g= t; From: H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> > > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:03 PM
> > Subject: [FlyRo= tary] Re: Back-plate
> >
> > Evening Kelly, so just tho= ught I'd send a note w/ an update. I
> did
> > find a
= > > fella in Tulsa who has access to a laser scanner. He's getting > me some
> > pricing
> >
> > on what it= would cost to get the job done. I'm thinking it might
> > be a g= ood
> > idea to get both the Mistral housing as well as a Renisis= Front
> Cover
> > scanned?
> >
> > I'= d like to get an Iron [preferably the side that mates to the
> > = front cover]
> > scanned as well but don't know if you've got one= handy [as in,
> not
> > 'in' an
> > engine]. I = could always
> >
> > do it here in time but that might take a bit before I get my
> hands
> > on one
&= gt; > that is not in an engine.
> >
> >
> >= ;
> > I'll keep you posted as this goes and see where we get. > >
> > Jarrett Johnson
> > www.innovention-tech= .com <http://www.innovention-tech.com/> 
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