X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.131] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with SMTP id 4969301 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 06 May 2011 17:07:28 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.131; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm4.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2011 21:06:54 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.73] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2011 21:06:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2011 21:06:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 161527.81309.bm@omp1010.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 33372 invoked by uid 60001); 6 May 2011 21:06:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1304716013; bh=089Ybi2MFEsvKPK1rYnQ6cp2Uj9JH3FBNKoog5+SyxE=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Ao9oVCBcHxXWC7KdzGWaFZzTepap2Auq5MkDh/itX9e0RX/hT+T2F5XRSbgrqVVCoDKOrtN/RlA/VnkTxnjxLcrVGmkmcoCzdkfDVq4rlZm0nxLlumjhr0YM8MzSKJNjgROP3FeOgU9JneSkFVmpk41Sl7xdkeiltkympSt3ZCc= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QFoE4ssCCdgMLLFxoEeX7ZYoKhypLY4+Xv9f1tLtMeWkRy/wC0rFHdbPPsQXZQ12tamzboZzrUvtlT7nYuGgk3QGuHp9psmoKViY1mTrt4FdJIMXxWfLibeqWD57MwRAJkjj86t92wKsp6on2uQsfJ6dYghh4ZRk4gBp8aIO26w=; Message-ID: <994356.88762.qm@web83903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 3RejidQVM1m3LoewnkqmSEADISoKKvUyeCGsrR2ushRK9.q 7_Ye5pCKFGWjAX.180ITG4BHcH34VvnWqHmkLoS5v2mCMaTySVmrOplU5NZ0 .iIs7OilVBDvuU0r17xRepsnu9PgOyoiFU9xw4ymD64MXPtxHu9rdRVjtjig ljyfHsSng3P0ZJHdz1s_i_9EWm.wV0WWR509gBfrDmoU1qzsETDQ8AQBTvoM Y84WwlznYaIRT7a3HdzP8HL1ssUzLBGnENvgGjPfBIPejfIEd0phhyR0vpzK 4xaE1jFgg7BdiQbE_BheskAYbuUkQsEmcobgATGeLLri7RQT2zTs3BddNaGl UJHROduboW8C8MnA_NRW4Cibip6S4RKXssoIXDsJhRNzka.ETMsKzsAd.NHF _WFwUUA49Aeansi8MwL3BSX1GuoaNOb.X0YlDcbo3imL1_8YIdwsVB8eA6Gv fec9_A4h52S4Gcamf.CcvNfXxKgF2eCyUoNjo0Hqf1QiweQKMGRL_SpTpHtR CYjgMao.tvU3zIwyXo63TuvOJjEhe_dcR Received: from [208.114.43.64] by web83903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 06 May 2011 14:06:53 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.110.299900 References: Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 14:06:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] vibration isolators/motor mounts To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-499853589-1304716013=:88762" --0-499853589-1304716013=:88762 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Brian,=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 I checked out all of McMaster Carr's offerings and no= n will fit or replace =0Athe=0ADynafocal type mounts..........I know that t= he bottom plate=C2=A0type of mount does=0Ause these type of cushion/isolato= rs............=0A=0AThanks,=0A=C2=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eve= ntually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/= Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________= _____________=0AFrom: "bktrub@aol.com" =0ATo: Rotary motors= in aircraft =0ASent: Fri, May 6, 2011 3:42:20= PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] vibration isolators/motor mounts=0A=0AI'm tellin= g you- go to McMaster- Carr. They have Barry shock mounts that are =0Ajust = like the ones on our aircraft, except the price is a little less- $5.95 =0A= each. That's what I used on my plane, and they work great. =0A=0A=0A=0ALook= y here: http://www.mcmaster.com/#catalog/117/1363/=3Dc6vjlj=0A=0ABottom of = the page- 6309K35A- I used the 240 lb. Version. =0A=0ABrian Trubee=0A=0A=C2= =A0=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Marc Wiese =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent:= Fri, May 6, 2011 12:25 pm=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Fro= nt Side Hsd Needed)=0A=0A=0AKelly,=0AMy Bad. Been working on a friends twin= commanche too much. The motor mount is =0Afrom a Cardinal RG nose retract = and uses the Lyc IO360 A1B6 200 hp angle valve =0Acylinders. So it=E2=80=99= s a type 1.=0AMaybe we can use it to test fit up that new back/front plate!= !=0ABTW, those mm shock donuts are costly for most of these systems. We got= to find =0Acheaper compliant donuts.=0AMarc=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom:Rotary motors = in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of =0AKelly Troy= er=0ASent: Friday, May 06, 2011 1:24 AM=0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft=0AS= ubject: [FlyRotary] Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)=0A=0AMarc,=0A= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 The Mistral backplate is for a Dynafoc= al Type=C2=A01 ,=C2=A030 degree mount ring =0Awhich is standard for most=C2= =A0Lycoming 0-320 &=C2=A0all 0=C2=A0& I0-360 engines (that=C2=A0I =0Aam awa= re of))..............The Dynafocal Type 2 , 18 degree mount ring was=0Adesi= gned for a specific 0-320 engine installed in the Twin Comanche with=0Aan e= xtra 2.5 inch extended prop hub..............This put the engine CG ahead = =0Athe 30 degree mount focal point=C2=A0 of approx 14.25 inches so the 18 d= egree=0Amount was designed to again put the engine CG slightly behind the 1= 8 degree=0Afocal point.............If your Cardinal has the type 2 ,=C2=A01= 8 degree=C2=A0 mount then =0Ait =0A=0Aprobably has a 0-320 with the extra p= op hub length..........If not maybe Cessna=0Agot a good deal on this partic= ular 0-320 engine model back then.........If by=0Achance your Cardinal has = an 0-360 then all bets are off as I haven't heard=0Aof a 0-360 model with t= he Type 2 , 18 degree mount............<:)=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 As for the 93-95 13BREW front side plate Bryan may have found us an=0Au= nserviceable one............We will see............As many of these engnes = that=0Ahave been=C2=A0over-heated , over-boosted and over-reved we should b= e able to =0Acome up with a junk one.............=0A=C2=A0=0AThanks Marc,= =0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0Kelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2"(Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY= "_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBON= ETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A________________________________= =0A=0AFrom:Marc Wiese =0ATo: keltro@att.net=0ASent: T= hu, May 5, 2011 8:40:02 PM=0ASubject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95= Front Side Hsd Needed)=0AKelly,=0AI also have a type II dynafocal engine m= ount (from a Cardinal RG!)=E2=80=A6.=0AMarc =0A=C2=A0=0AFrom:Marc Wiese [ma= ilto:cardmarc@charter.net] =0ASent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:37 PM=0ATo: 'R= otary motors in aircraft'; 'keltro@att.net'=0ASubject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: = Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)=0A=0AI may have one of those 13Bre= w =E2=80=9Cfront plates=E2=80=9D, but it is =E2=80=9Cuseable=E2=80=9D.=0AI = too would like a dynafocal type II mount=E2=80=A6..for both of my 13Brews a= nd the 20B=E2=80=A6=0AMarc=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom:Rotary motors in aircraft [mailt= o:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of =0AKelly Troyer=0ASent: Wednesd= ay, May 04, 2011 6:09 PM=0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft=0ASubject: [FlyRot= ary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)=0A=0ATo The Rotary Group,= =0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Yes I know I am a troublemaker (too much comput= er time available=C2=A0with my =0Aday job) and some of you are probably sic= k of all my posts !!.............."But" =0Awith that being=C2=A0said one of= our group is seriously considering the development =0Aof a "Mistral" type= =0Aback-plate to allow the use of a standard "Lycoming" "Dynafocal type 1" = engine =0Amount ring that will be a virtual "Bolt-on" to the=0A93-95 13BREW= =C2=A0, Cosmo 13B & 20B and the Renesis 13B Rotarys.............Several =0A= builders and potentials have indicated they=0Awould be interested in such a= back-plate (including me)............I have one of =0Athe few "Mistral" ba= ck-plates that ended up in the=0Ahands of experimenters (waited 2 years for= it)..........It is severely over =0Aengineered for our use (and overpriced= ) and has many=0Afeatures we do not need...........=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 If you have followed "Back-plate" string of posts recently you know = that =0AJarrett Johnson one our group with aspirations to=0Ainstall a Cosmo= 20B in his project started the discussion first about an =0Adeveloping an= =C2=A0intake manifold for 13B & 20B Rotarys=0A(which needs to be done also)= then=C2=A0I jumped in and said that a common=C2=A0engine =0Amount design m= ight also be needed and if=0Ayou have been reading the posts lately a lot o= f info has been kicked =0Aaround=C2=A0about=C2=A0the various=C2=A0Rotarys a= nd what=C2=A0it will take to=C2=A0"Marry" the "Mistral" =0Aback-plate with = a "RX8 "Renesis" water-pump (with the magic of digital scanning =0A& CAD) t= o design =0A=0Asuch a back-plate.........=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 Those that have been on the Rotary forum for several years may remember= =0AJarrett posting his trials and tribulations in=0Abuilding a huge CAM mi= ll (at home).............He is a commercial designer with =0Athe talent and= equipment=C2=A0(including foundry)=0Ato pull this off............I have of= fered my "Mistral" back-plate to be scanned =0A(He trying to find someone= =C2=A0here in Okla to do=0Athe=C2=A0 job) and I also have a "Renesis" front= cover to scan............What we =0Areally need now is a 93-95 13BREW fron= t side=0Ahousing (unusable condition preferred as long as front side is und= amaged) to put =0Ain his hands as this is what the back-plate=0Awill bolt t= o..............If someone in the group has an unusable 93-95 13BREW =0Afron= t side housing they will donate I will pay=0Ato have it shipped to Jarrett.= .............You may contact me off the forum if =0Ayou would prefer.......= ...I have no horse in this race=0AI would just like to see such a product b= e made available to the group..........=0A=C2=A0=0Akeltro@att.net=0A=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2"(Eventually)=0A"13B ROT= ARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TUR= BONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A_____________________________= ___=0A=0AFrom:Kelly Troyer =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft= =0ASent: Tue, May 3, 2011 11:45:09 PM=0ASubje= ct: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate=0AJarrett,=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Wil= l be a good idea to scan both the Mistral and Renesis =0Ahousings..........= ...You really need =0A=0Aa 93-95 13BREW=C2=A0(preferably) or Cosmo 20B fron= t housing to scan.............Most =0Aof my 13B=0Aengines are 86-91........= .....My=C2=A0Cosmo 13B is adaptable but=C2=A0lacks=C2=A0some of=C2=A0the = =0Amachined bolt=0Aand stud pads of the 13BREW, Renesis=C2=A0or Cosmo 20B f= ront side housing which you =0Aneed=0Ato make allowances for on the redesig= ned back-plate if you want it to fit all =0Athree versions of=0Athese engin= es..................Throw this out to the group and see if someone =0Ahas a= 1993-95=0A13BREW front side hsg (need not be usable) they would donate or = lend to the =0Aproject.........=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 You really need thi= s front side housing in front of you......... Even with =0Aall the scans no= thing =0A=0Abeats having the actual hardware............IMHO=0A=C2=A0=0ABes= t Regards,=0A=C2=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2"(Eventually)=0A"13B RO= TARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TU= RBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A____________________________= ____=0A=0AFrom:H & J Johnson =0ATo: Rotary motors in= aircraft =0ASent: Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:03 P= M=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate=0AEvening Kelly, so just thought I'= d send a note w/ an update. I did find a fella =0Ain Tulsa who has access t= o a laser scanner. He's getting me some pricing=0Aon what it would cost to = get the job done. I'm thinking it might be a good idea =0Ato get both the M= istral housing as well as a Renisis Front Cover scanned? =0A=0AI'd like to = get=C2=A0an Iron=C2=A0[preferably the side that mates to the front =0Acover= ]=C2=A0scanned as well but don't know if you've got one handy [as in, not '= in' =0Aan engine]. I could always =0A=0Ado it here in time but that might t= ake a bit before I get my hands on one that =0Ais=C2=A0not in an engine.=0A= =0AI'll keep you posted as this goes and see where we get.=0A=0AJarrett Joh= nson =0Awww.innovention-tech.com =0A--=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Homepage:=C2=A0 ht= tp://www.flyrotary.com/=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Archive and UnSub:=C2=A0=C2=A0 = =0Ahttp://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --0-499853589-1304716013=:88762 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Brian,
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   I checked out all = of McMaster Carr's offerings and non will fit or replace the
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D= ynafocal type mounts..........I know that the bottom plate type of mou= nt does
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use these type of cushion/isolators............
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Thanks,
 
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Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTR= AL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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= =0AFrom: "bktrub@aol.com" &= lt;bktrub@aol.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 3:42:20 PMSubject: [FlyRotary] vibr= ation isolators/motor mounts

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I'm telling you- go to McMaster- Carr. They have Barry sh= ock mounts that are just like the ones on our aircraft, except the price is= a little less- $5.95 each. That's what I used on my plane, and they work g= reat.
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Looky here: http://www.mcmaster= .com/#catalog/117/1363/=3Dc6vjlj
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Bottom of= the page- 6309K35A- I used the 240 lb. Version.
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Brian Trubee
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-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Wiese <c= ardmarc@charter.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lanc= aironline.net>
Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 12:25 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary= ] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)

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Kelly,
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My B= ad. Been working on a friends twin commanche too much. The motor mount is f= rom a Cardinal RG nose retract and uses the Lyc IO360 A1B6 200 hp angle val= ve cylinders. So it=E2=80=99s a type 1.
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Maybe we can u= se it to test fit up that new back/front plate!!
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BTW,= those mm shock donuts are costly for most of these systems. We got to find= cheaper compliant donuts.
=0A
Marc
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&= nbsp;
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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Beh= alf Of Kelly Troyer
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 1:24 AM
= To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Back-plate= (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)
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=0A
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=0A
Marc,
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       The Mistral backplate is fo= r a Dynafocal Type 1 , 30 degree mount ring
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which is standard for most Lycoming 0-320 & = ;all 0 & I0-360 engines (that I
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am aware of))..............The Dynafocal Type 2 , 18 degree mount= ring was
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designed for a specific 0-3= 20 engine installed in the Twin Comanche with
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=0A=
an extra 2.5 inch extended prop hub..............This put the engine= CG ahead
=0A
=0A
the 30 degree mount focal p= oint  of approx 14.25 inches so the 18 degree
=0A=0A
mount was designed to again put the engine CG slightly behind t= he 18 degree
=0A
=0A
focal point.............If= your Cardinal has the type 2 , 18 degree  mount then it <= /DIV>
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probably has a 0-320 with the extra pop hub le= ngth..........If not maybe Cessna
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got= a good deal on this particular 0-320 engine model back then.........If by<= /SPAN>
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chance your Cardinal has an 0-360 then = all bets are off as I haven't heard
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of = a 0-360 model with the Type 2 , 18 degree mount............<:)
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&nb= sp;    As for the 93-95 13BREW front side plate Bryan may ha= ve found us an
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unserviceable one.......= .....We will see............As many of these engnes that
= =0A
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have been over-heated , over-boosted and over-reved = we should be able to
=0A
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<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: 'sans-serif'; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">come up with a ju= nk one.............
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Thanks Marc,
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&n= bsp;
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 Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA= JD2" (Eventually)
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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RW= S"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
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"TURBONETICS"_TO4E5= 0 Turbo
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From: Marc Wiese <cardmarc@charter.net>
To: keltro@att.net
Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 8:40:02 PM<= BR>Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Nee= ded)
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Kelly,
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I also have a= type II dynafocal engine mount (from a Cardinal RG!)=E2=80=A6.=0A
Marc
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= From:= Marc Wiese [mailto:cardmarc@charter.net]
= Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:37 PM
To: 'Rotary motors in ai= rcraft'; 'keltro@att.net'
Subject: RE= : [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)
=0A
 
=0A
I may have one of th= ose 13Brew =E2=80=9Cfront plates=E2=80=9D, but it is =E2=80=9Cuseable=E2=80= =9D.
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I too would like a dynafocal type II mount=E2=80= =A6..for both of my 13Brews and the 20B=E2=80=A6
=0A
Marc=
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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancairon= line.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
Sent: Wednesday, M= ay 04, 2011 6:09 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject:<= /B> [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)
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T= o The Rotary Group,
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   &= nbsp; Yes I know I am a troublemaker (too much computer time available = ;with my day job) and some of you are probably sick of all my posts !!.....= ........."But" with that being said one of our group is seriously cons= idering the development of a "Mistral" type
=0A
=0Aback-plate to allow the use of a standard "Lycoming" "Dynafocal type 1= " engine mount ring that will be a virtual "Bolt-on" to the
=0A
=0A
93-95 13BREW , Cosmo 13B & 20B and the Renesi= s 13B Rotarys.............Several builders and potentials have indicated th= ey
=0A
=0A
would be interested in such a back-p= late (including me)............I have one of the few "Mistral" back-plates = that ended up in the
=0A
=0A
hands of experimen= ters (waited 2 years for it)..........It is severely over engineered for ou= r use (and overpriced) and has many
=0A
=0A
fea= tures we do not need...........
=0A
=0A
 <= /SPAN>
=0A
=0A
    If you have followed= "Back-plate" string of posts recently you know that Jarrett Johnson one ou= r group with aspirations to
=0A
=0A
install a C= osmo 20B in his project started the discussion first about an developing an=  intake manifold for 13B & 20B Rotarys
=0A
= =0A
(which needs to be done also) then I jumped in and said that= a common engine mount design might also be needed and if
=
=0A
=0A
you have been reading the posts lately a lot of inf= o has been kicked around about the various Rotarys and what&= nbsp;it will take to "Marry" the "Mistral" back-plate with a "RX8 "Ren= esis" water-pump (with the magic of digital scanning & CAD) to design <= /SPAN>
=0A
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such a back-plate.........
=
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 &n= bsp;   Those that have been on the Rotary forum for several years= may remember Jarrett posting his trials and tribulations in
=0A
=0A
building a huge CAM mill (at home).............He is = a commercial designer with the talent and equipment (including foundry= )
=0A
=0A
to pull this off............I have of= fered my "Mistral" back-plate to be scanned (He trying to find someone = ;here in Okla to do
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the  job) and = I also have a "Renesis" front cover to scan............What we really need = now is a 93-95 13BREW front side
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housin= g (unusable condition preferred as long as front side is undamaged) to put = in his hands as this is what the back-plate
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to have it shipped to Jarrett..............You may contac= t me off the forum if you would prefer..........I have no horse in this rac= e
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I would just like to see such a produ= ct be made available to the group..........
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Kelly Troyer
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"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
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From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, = May 3, 2011 11:45:09 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate
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Jarrett,
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    Will be = a good idea to scan both the Mistral and Renesis housings.............You r= eally need
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a 93-95 13BREW (prefer= ably) or Cosmo 20B front housing to scan.............Most of my 13B<= /DIV>
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engines are 86-91.............My Cosmo 13= B is adaptable but lacks some of the machined bolt
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and stud pads of the 13BREW, Renesis or Cos= mo 20B front side housing which you need
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these engines...= ...............Throw this out to the group and see if someone has a 1993-95=
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13BREW front side hsg (need not be usa= ble) they would donate or lend to the project.........
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   Y= ou really need this front side housing in front of you......... Even with a= ll the scans nothing
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"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
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From: H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
To: Rotary motors in airc= raft <flyrotary@lancai= ronline.net>
Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:03 PM
Subj= ect: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate
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Evening Kelly, so j= ust thought I'd send a note w/ an update. I did find a fella in Tulsa who h= as access to a laser scanner. He's getting me some pricing
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on = what it would cost to get the job done. I'm thinking it might be a good ide= a to get both the Mistral housing as well as a Renisis Front Cover scanned?=
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I'd like to get an Iron [preferably the side that = mates to the front cover] scanned as well but don't know if you've got= one handy [as in, not 'in' an engine]. I could always
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do it = here in time but that might take a bit before I get my hands on one that is=  not in an engine.
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I'll keep you posted as this goes and see where we get.

= Jarrett Johnson
www.innovention-tech.com 
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