X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm14-vm0.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.162] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with SMTP id 4969273 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 06 May 2011 16:43:44 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.162; envelope-from=bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net Received: from [98.139.44.107] by nm14.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2011 20:43:10 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.71] by tm12.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2011 20:43:10 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 06 May 2011 20:43:10 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 172645.46033.bm@omp1008.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 91839 invoked from network); 6 May 2011 20:43:09 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1304714589; bh=3cRpkcG5BkcioG1VbYtE+AWljSGRxolo/HhH3TurzM0=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=EjDQf+yNfP1En8zjpL8I4Jv54T15uCO4f5cPorFqP+BtjoEjWcgH1JCHmfwrHIstX4rbgayI36WTHg8z47OmrpuMDk2BtQG49ByLgplduOYyr9XB/QMNTOct4YKVWJC5CQ/jTHk2omZ2R0vBPcrU+rwLXa+8BLKx6Aw2V2weAuA= Received: from acer7fbfa7e2f7 (bryanwinberry@98.88.57.6 with login) by smtp106.sbc.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 06 May 2011 13:43:08 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: OSuEAS2swBAaBd4uKxevNivslbMG7JXpWjAWZVmoYyRm6qcW_W2VUA-- X-YMail-OSG: hKBRxVMVM1mHiKnGic1vv5_Ko6iFI8HM5O_ucZ.ePH_aME0 ypjgcurNl.H2CDKMg9kzoSLSXtY55zEyaBu0hjkj7XHaRZ.62kBX3WxPFEph ori6PKRbOteBTYlXgFe5O2jtCCH45QnDb0Wdw6G7GCIUaGAD3somIPNKU0Ku ofW2yWbrlE2_09kmtz4LVpUpJ2WW4gSrYFUtMlmBHIgR8qdfa6ptvx7OWHu1 mS1ayn9js5PbssP.S65IRNFXUYCt.MBjkGbH_V_ckhnha4oQPOer78NzKfTF o4LtH65RgBFCtmKjHcB3h.7t02X4Ms64kJzj125khC5NkctD8eJxOpR0drRr LO7sRnW.tWlrIDM6FXMUilKH0tCQPwTvr1eaWMjzC0l67kJ3G0j9Ed0OFNl2 PszgXMu9tEwiEf92ElUme7CV36tg1S3mMYiG5K5OfbQPRboLTUqWwPAQ9xjX KCRI- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Bryan Winberry" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) Date: Fri, 6 May 2011 16:47:04 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0096_01CC0C0D.3B226600" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcwMLcOB15zQ7MwERLaTr+WpiIe9kgAAL9EA In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01CC0C0D.3B226600 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jarrett, Paul at Mazmart said that a new one was around 500! So, it looks like we need to find a ruined unit. I have one more guy I think I'll call, but doubt he has one. Bryan _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of H & J Johnson Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 4:39 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) Bryan, I think for the Iron I'd like to get my hands on one to keep. If it has to be a serviceable one.. that would be 'ok', however the preference [due to cost] would be to get a un-servicable one, granted its not TOO warped or something. I would use this for mock up and assembly testing of the actual mount housing etc. Jarrett Johnson www.innovention-tech.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Bryan Winberry Date: Friday, May 6, 2011 11:20 am Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) > Unfortunately, Mazmart did not have a third gen front plate. They > mighthave had a serviceable one, but probably didn't want to take > a chance on not > seeing it again. If someone else doesn't come up with one, > perhaps I can > try again. Jarrett, how long would you need the piece? Or were > you hoping > to hang on to it? > > Bryan > > > > _____ > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > Behalf Of Kelly Troyer > Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 2:24 AM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) > > > > Marc, > > The Mistral backplate is for a Dynafocal Type 1 , 30 degree > mountring > > which is standard for most Lycoming 0-320 & all 0 & I0-360 engines > (that I > > am aware of))..............The Dynafocal Type 2 , 18 degree mount > ring was > > designed for a specific 0-320 engine installed in the Twin > Comanche with > > an extra 2.5 inch extended prop hub..............This put the > engine CG > ahead > > the 30 degree mount focal point of approx 14.25 inches so the 18 > degree > mount was designed to again put the engine CG slightly behind the > 18 degree > > focal point.............If your Cardinal has the type 2 , 18 > degree mount > then it > > probably has a 0-320 with the extra pop hub length..........If not > maybeCessna > > got a good deal on this particular 0-320 engine model back > then.........Ifby > > chance your Cardinal has an 0-360 then all bets are off as I > haven't heard > > of a 0-360 model with the Type 2 , 18 degree mount............<:) > > > > As for the 93-95 13BREW front side plate Bryan may have found > us an > > unserviceable one............We will see............As many of > these engnes > that > > have been over-heated , over-boosted and over-reved we should be > able to > > come up with a junk one............. > > > > Thanks Marc, > > > > Kelly Troyer > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo > > > > > > _____ > > From: Marc Wiese > To: keltro@att.net > Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 8:40:02 PM > Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) > > Kelly, > > I also have a type II dynafocal engine mount (from a Cardinal RG!).. > > Marc > > > > From: Marc Wiese [cardmarc@charter.net] > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:37 PM > To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft'; 'keltro@att.net' > Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) > > > > I may have one of those 13Brew "front plates", but it is "useable". > > I too would like a dynafocal type II mount...for both of my > 13Brews and the > 20B. > > Marc > > > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > Behalf Of Kelly Troyer > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 6:09 PM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) > > > > To The Rotary Group, > > Yes I know I am a troublemaker (too much computer time > available with > my day job) and some of you are probably sick of all my posts > !!.............."But" with that being said one of our group is > seriouslyconsidering the development of a "Mistral" type > > back-plate to allow the use of a standard "Lycoming" "Dynafocal > type 1" > engine mount ring that will be a virtual "Bolt-on" to the > > 93-95 13BREW , Cosmo 13B & 20B and the Renesis 13B > Rotarys.............Several builders and potentials have indicated > they > would be interested in such a back-plate (including > me)............I have > one of the few "Mistral" back-plates that ended up in the > > hands of experimenters (waited 2 years for it)..........It is > severely over > engineered for our use (and overpriced) and has many > > features we do not need........... > > > > If you have followed "Back-plate" string of posts recently you > know that > Jarrett Johnson one our group with aspirations to > > install a Cosmo 20B in his project started the discussion first > about an > developing an intake manifold for 13B & 20B Rotarys > > (which needs to be done also) then I jumped in and said that a > common engine > mount design might also be needed and if > > you have been reading the posts lately a lot of info has been > kicked around > about the various Rotarys and what it will take to "Marry" the > "Mistral"back-plate with a "RX8 "Renesis" water-pump (with the > magic of digital > scanning & CAD) to design > > such a back-plate......... > > > > Those that have been on the Rotary forum for several years > may remember > Jarrett posting his trials and tribulations in > > building a huge CAM mill (at home).............He is a commercial > designerwith the talent and equipment (including foundry) > > to pull this off............I have offered my "Mistral" back-plate > to be > scanned (He trying to find someone here in Okla to do > > the job) and I also have a "Renesis" front cover to > scan............What we > really need now is a 93-95 13BREW front side > > housing (unusable condition preferred as long as front side is > undamaged) to > put in his hands as this is what the back-plate > > will bolt to..............If someone in the group has an unusable > 93-95 > 13BREW front side housing they will donate I will pay > > to have it shipped to Jarrett..............You may contact me off > the forum > if you would prefer..........I have no horse in this race > > I would just like to see such a product be made available to the > group.......... > > > > keltro@att.net > > > > Kelly Troyer > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo > > > > > > _____ > > From: Kelly Troyer > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 11:45:09 PM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate > > Jarrett, > > > > Will be a good idea to scan both the Mistral and Renesis > housings.............You really need > > a 93-95 13BREW (preferably) or Cosmo 20B front housing to > scan.............Most of my 13B > > engines are 86-91.............My Cosmo 13B is adaptable but lacks > some of > the machined bolt > > and stud pads of the 13BREW, Renesis or Cosmo 20B front side > housing which > you need > > to make allowances for on the redesigned back-plate if you want it > to fit > all three versions of > > these engines..................Throw this out to the group and see if > someone has a 1993-95 > > 13BREW front side hsg (need not be usable) they would donate or > lend to the > project......... > > > > You really need this front side housing in front of > you......... Even > with all the scans nothing > > beats having the actual hardware............IMHO > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Kelly Troyer > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo > > > > > > _____ > > From: H & J Johnson > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:03 PM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate > > Evening Kelly, so just thought I'd send a note w/ an update. I did > find a > fella in Tulsa who has access to a laser scanner. He's getting me some > pricing > > on what it would cost to get the job done. I'm thinking it might > be a good > idea to get both the Mistral housing as well as a Renisis Front Cover > scanned? > > I'd like to get an Iron [preferably the side that mates to the > front cover] > scanned as well but don't know if you've got one handy [as in, not > 'in' an > engine]. I could always > > do it here in time but that might take a bit before I get my hands > on one > that is not in an engine. > > > > I'll keep you posted as this goes and see where we get. > > Jarrett Johnson > www.innovention-tech.com > > -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0096_01CC0C0D.3B226600 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jarrett,

Paul at Mazmart said that a new one = was around 500!

So, it looks like we need to find a = ruined unit.

I have one more guy I think = I’ll call, but doubt he has one.

Bryan

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of H & J Johnson
Sent: Friday, May 06, = 2011 4:39 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)

 

Bryan, I think for the Iron I'd like to get my hands on one to keep. If it has = to be a serviceable one.. that would be 'ok', however the preference [due to = cost] would be to get a un-servicable one, granted its not TOO warped or = something. I would use this for mock up and assembly testing of the actual mount = housing etc.

Jarrett Johnson
www.innovention-tech.com

----- Original Message = -----

From: = Bryan Winberry <bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net>

Date: = Friday, May 6, 2011 11:20 am

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)

> Unfortunately, Mazmart did not have a third gen front = plate.  They
> mighthave had a serviceable one, but probably didn't want to take =
> a chance on not
> seeing it again.  If someone else doesn't come up with one, =
> perhaps I can
> try again.  Jarrett, how long would you need the piece?  = Or were
> you hoping
> to hang on to it?
>
> Bryan
>
>
>
>  _____ 
>
> From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
> Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
> Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 2:24 AM
> To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)
>
>
>
> Marc,
>
>       The Mistral backplate is for a Dynafocal Type 1 , 30 degree
> mountring
>
> which is standard for most Lycoming 0-320 & all 0 & I0-360 = engines
> (that I
>
> am aware of))..............The Dynafocal Type 2 , 18 degree mount =
> ring was
>
> designed for a specific 0-320 engine installed in the Twin
> Comanche with
>
> an extra 2.5 inch extended prop hub..............This put the
> engine CG
> ahead
>
> the 30 degree mount focal point  of approx 14.25 inches so the = 18
> degree
> mount was designed to again put the engine CG slightly behind the =
> 18 degree
>
> focal point.............If your Cardinal has the type 2 , 18
> degree  mount
> then it
>
> probably has a 0-320 with the extra pop hub length..........If not =
> maybeCessna
>
> got a good deal on this particular 0-320 engine model back
> then.........Ifby
>
> chance your Cardinal has an 0-360 then all bets are off as I
> haven't heard
>
> of a 0-360 model with the Type 2 , 18 degree = mount............<:)
>
>
>
>     As for the 93-95 13BREW front side plate = Bryan may have found
> us an
>
> unserviceable one............We will see............As many of
> these engnes
> that
>
> have been over-heated , over-boosted and over-reved we should be =
> able to
>
> come up with a junk one.............
>
>
>
> Thanks Marc,
>
>
>
> Kelly Troyer
> "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
>
> "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
>
> "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
>
>
>
>
>
>  _____ 
>
> From: Marc Wiese <cardmarc@charter.net>
> To: keltro@att.net
> Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 8:40:02 PM
> Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd = Needed)
>
> Kelly,
>
> I also have a type II dynafocal engine mount (from a Cardinal = RG!)..
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> From: Marc Wiese [cardmarc@charter.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:37 PM
> To: 'Rotary motors in = aircraft'; 'keltro@att.net'
> Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd = Needed)
>
>
>
> I may have one of those 13Brew "front plates", but it is "useable".
>
> I too would like a dynafocal type II mount...for both of my
> 13Brews and the
> 20B.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> From: Rotary motors in = aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
> Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
> Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 6:09 PM
> To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) =
>
>
>
> To The Rotary Group,
>
>     Yes I know I am a troublemaker (too much = computer time
> available with
> my day job) and some of you are probably sick of all my posts
> !!.............."But" with that being said one of our = group is
> seriouslyconsidering the development of a "Mistral" type =
>
> back-plate to allow the use of a standard "Lycoming" "Dynafocal
> type 1"
> engine mount ring that will be a virtual "Bolt-on" to the =
>
> 93-95 13BREW , Cosmo 13B & 20B and the Renesis 13B
> Rotarys.............Several builders and potentials have indicated =
> they
> would be interested in such a back-plate (including
> me)............I have
> one of the few "Mistral" back-plates that ended up in the =
>
> hands of experimenters (waited 2 years for it)..........It is
> severely over
> engineered for our use (and overpriced) and has many
>
> features we do not need...........
>
>
>
>    If you have followed "Back-plate" = string of posts recently you
> know that
> Jarrett Johnson one our group with aspirations to
>
> install a Cosmo 20B in his project started the discussion first =
> about an
> developing an intake manifold for 13B & 20B Rotarys
>
> (which needs to be done also) then I jumped in and said that a
> common engine
> mount design might also be needed and if
>
> you have been reading the posts lately a lot of info has been
> kicked around
> about the various Rotarys and what it will take to = "Marry" the
> "Mistral"back-plate with a "RX8 "Renesis" water-pump (with the
> magic of digital
> scanning & CAD) to design
>
> such a back-plate.........
>
>
>
>     Those that have been on the Rotary forum = for several years
> may remember
> Jarrett posting his trials and tribulations in
>
> building a huge CAM mill (at home).............He is a commercial =
> designerwith the talent and equipment (including foundry)
>
> to pull this off............I have offered my "Mistral" back-plate
> to be
> scanned (He trying to find someone here in Okla to do
>
> the  job) and I also have a "Renesis" front cover to =
> scan............What we
> really need now is a 93-95 13BREW front side
>
> housing (unusable condition preferred as long as front side is
> undamaged) to
> put in his hands as this is what the back-plate
>
> will bolt to..............If someone in the group has an unusable =
> 93-95
> 13BREW front side housing they will donate I will pay
>
> to have it shipped to Jarrett..............You may contact me off =
> the forum
> if you would prefer..........I have no horse in this race
>
> I would just like to see such a product be made available to the =
> group..........
>
>
>
> keltro@att.net
>
>   
>
> Kelly Troyer
> "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
>
> "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
>
> "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
>
>
>
>
>
>  _____ 
>
> From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
> To: Rotary motors in = aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 11:45:09 PM
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate
>
> Jarrett,
>
>
>
>    Will be a good idea to scan both the Mistral and = Renesis
> housings.............You really need
>
> a 93-95 13BREW (preferably) or Cosmo 20B front housing to
> scan.............Most of my 13B
>
> engines are 86-91.............My Cosmo 13B is adaptable but lacks =
> some of
> the machined bolt
>
> and stud pads of the 13BREW, Renesis or Cosmo 20B front side
> housing which
> you need
>
> to make allowances for on the redesigned back-plate if you want it =
> to fit
> all three versions of
>
> these engines..................Throw this out to the group and see = if
> someone has a 1993-95
>
> 13BREW front side hsg (need not be usable) they would donate or =
> lend to the
> project.........
>
>
>
>   You really need this front side housing in front of =
> you......... Even
> with all the scans nothing
>
> beats having the actual hardware............IMHO
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
>
>
> Kelly Troyer
> "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
>
> "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
>
> "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
>
>
>
>
>
>  _____ 
>
> From: H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
> To: Rotary motors in = aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:03 PM
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate
>
> Evening Kelly, so just thought I'd send a note w/ an update. I did =
> find a
> fella in Tulsa who has access to a laser scanner. He's getting me some
> pricing
>
> on what it would cost to get the job done. I'm thinking it might =
> be a good
> idea to get both the Mistral housing as well as a Renisis Front = Cover
> scanned?
>
> I'd like to get an Iron [preferably the side that mates to the
> front cover]
> scanned as well but don't know if you've got one handy [as in, not =
> 'in' an
> engine]. I could always
>
> do it here in time but that might take a bit before I get my hands =
> on one
> that is not in an engine.
>
>
>
> I'll keep you posted as this goes and see where we get.
>
> Jarrett Johnson
> www.innovention-tech.com = <http://www.innovention-tech.com/> 
>
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