X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma04.mx.aol.com ([64.12.206.42] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with ESMTP id 4969270 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 06 May 2011 16:43:26 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.206.42; envelope-from=Bktrub@aol.com Received: from imo-da01.mx.aol.com (imo-da01.mx.aol.com [205.188.169.199]) by imr-ma04.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p46KgUg9031019 for ; Fri, 6 May 2011 16:42:30 -0400 Received: from Bktrub@aol.com by imo-da01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.10b6.19ac28c (43975) for ; Fri, 6 May 2011 16:42:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-de01.mx.aol.com (smtprly-de01.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.168]) by cia-dd03.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILCIADD038-b2304dc45d2c367; Fri, 06 May 2011 16:42:25 -0400 Received: from Webmail-m110 (webmail-m110.sim.aol.com [64.12.232.218]) by smtprly-de01.mx.aol.com (v129.10) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDE015-b2304dc45d2c367; Fri, 06 May 2011 16:42:20 -0400 References: To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Subject: vibration isolators/motor mounts Date: Fri, 06 May 2011 16:42:20 -0400 X-AOL-IP: 69.84.254.253 In-Reply-To: X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI MIME-Version: 1.0 From: bktrub@aol.com X-MB-Message-Type: User Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="--------MB_8CDDA453ADB971A_1AB0_60915_Webmail-m110.sysops.aol.com" X-Mailer: AOL Webmail 33646-STANDARD Received: from 69.84.254.253 by Webmail-m110.sysops.aol.com (64.12.232.218) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Fri, 06 May 2011 16:42:20 -0400 Message-Id: <8CDDA453AC62AB1-1AB0-33ABF@Webmail-m110.sysops.aol.com> X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: Bktrub@aol.com ----------MB_8CDDA453ADB971A_1AB0_60915_Webmail-m110.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I'm telling you- go to McMaster- Carr. They have Barry shock mounts that= are just like the ones on our aircraft, except the price is a little less= - $5.95 each. That's what I used on my plane, and they work great.=20 Looky here: http://www.mcmaster.com/#catalog/117/1363/=3Dc6vjlj Bottom of the page- 6309K35A- I used the 240 lb. Version.=20 Brian Trubee -----Original Message----- From: Marc Wiese To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 12:25 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) Kelly, My Bad. Been working on a friends twin commanche too much. The motor mount= is from a Cardinal RG nose retract and uses the Lyc IO360 A1B6 200 hp ang= le valve cylinders. So it=E2=80=99s a type 1. Maybe we can use it to test fit up that new back/front plate!! BTW, those mm shock donuts are costly for most of these systems. We got to= find cheaper compliant donuts. Marc =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Be= half Of Kelly Troyer Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 1:24 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) =20 Marc, The Mistral backplate is for a Dynafocal Type 1 , 30 degree mount= ring=20 which is standard for most Lycoming 0-320 & all 0 & I0-360 engines (that= I=20 am aware of))..............The Dynafocal Type 2 , 18 degree mount ring was designed for a specific 0-320 engine installed in the Twin Comanche with an extra 2.5 inch extended prop hub..............This put the engine CG ah= ead=20 the 30 degree mount focal point of approx 14.25 inches so the 18 degree mount was designed to again put the engine CG slightly behind the 18 degre= e focal point.............If your Cardinal has the type 2 , 18 degree mount= then it=20 probably has a 0-320 with the extra pop hub length..........If not maybe= Cessna got a good deal on this particular 0-320 engine model back then.........If= by chance your Cardinal has an 0-360 then all bets are off as I haven't heard of a 0-360 model with the Type 2 , 18 degree mount............<:) =20 As for the 93-95 13BREW front side plate Bryan may have found us an unserviceable one............We will see............As many of these engne= s that have been over-heated , over-boosted and over-reved we should be able to= =20 come up with a junk one............. =20 Thanks Marc, =20 Kelly Troyer "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) "13B ROTARY"_ Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo =20 =20 From: Marc Wiese To: keltro@att.net Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 8:40:02 PM Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) Kelly, I also have a type II dynafocal engine mount (from a Cardinal RG!)=E2=80= =A6. Marc=20 =20 From: Marc Wiese [mailto:cardmarc@charter.net]=20 Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:37 PM To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft'; 'keltro@att.net' Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) =20 I may have one of those 13Brew =E2=80=9Cfront plates=E2=80=9D, but it is= =E2=80=9Cuseable=E2=80=9D. I too would like a dynafocal type II mount=E2=80=A6..for both of my 13Brew= s and the 20B=E2=80=A6 Marc =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Be= half Of Kelly Troyer Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 6:09 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) =20 To The Rotary Group, Yes I know I am a troublemaker (too much computer time available with= my day job) and some of you are probably sick of all my posts !!.........= ....."But" with that being said one of our group is seriously considering= the development of a "Mistral" type back-plate to allow the use of a standard "Lycoming" "Dynafocal type 1" en= gine mount ring that will be a virtual "Bolt-on" to the 93-95 13BREW , Cosmo 13B & 20B and the Renesis 13B Rotarys.............Sev= eral builders and potentials have indicated they would be interested in such a back-plate (including me)............I have= one of the few "Mistral" back-plates that ended up in the hands of experimenters (waited 2 years for it)..........It is severely ove= r engineered for our use (and overpriced) and has many features we do not need........... =20 If you have followed "Back-plate" string of posts recently you know th= at Jarrett Johnson one our group with aspirations to install a Cosmo 20B in his project started the discussion first about an= developing an intake manifold for 13B & 20B Rotarys (which needs to be done also) then I jumped in and said that a common engi= ne mount design might also be needed and if you have been reading the posts lately a lot of info has been kicked aroun= d about the various Rotarys and what it will take to "Marry" the "Mistral"= back-plate with a "RX8 "Renesis" water-pump (with the magic of digital sc= anning & CAD) to design=20 such a back-plate......... =20 Those that have been on the Rotary forum for several years may rememb= er Jarrett posting his trials and tribulations in building a huge CAM mill (at home).............He is a commercial designer= with the talent and equipment (including foundry) to pull this off............I have offered my "Mistral" back-plate to be= scanned (He trying to find someone here in Okla to do the job) and I also have a "Renesis" front cover to scan............What= we really need now is a 93-95 13BREW front side housing (unusable condition preferred as long as front side is undamaged)= to put in his hands as this is what the back-plate will bolt to..............If someone in the group has an unusable 93-95 13= BREW front side housing they will donate I will pay to have it shipped to Jarrett..............You may contact me off the foru= m if you would prefer..........I have no horse in this race I would just like to see such a product be made available to the group....= ...... =20 keltro@att.net =20 Kelly Troyer "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) "13B ROTARY"_ Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo =20 =20 From: Kelly Troyer To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 11:45:09 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate Jarrett, =20 Will be a good idea to scan both the Mistral and Renesis housings.....= ........You really need=20 a 93-95 13BREW (preferably) or Cosmo 20B front housing to scan............= .Most of my 13B engines are 86-91.............My Cosmo 13B is adaptable but lacks some of= the machined bolt and stud pads of the 13BREW, Renesis or Cosmo 20B front side housing which= you need to make allowances for on the redesigned back-plate if you want it to fit= all three versions of these engines..................Throw this out to the group and see if some= one has a 1993-95 13BREW front side hsg (need not be usable) they would donate or lend to th= e project......... =20 You really need this front side housing in front of you......... Even= with all the scans nothing=20 beats having the actual hardware............IMHO =20 Best Regards, =20 Kelly Troyer "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) "13B ROTARY"_ Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo =20 =20 From: H & J Johnson To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:03 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate Evening Kelly, so just thought I'd send a note w/ an update. I did find a= fella in Tulsa who has access to a laser scanner. He's getting me some pr= icing on what it would cost to get the job done. I'm thinking it might be a good= idea to get both the Mistral housing as well as a Renisis Front Cover sca= nned?=20 I'd like to get an Iron [preferably the side that mates to the front cover= ] scanned as well but don't know if you've got one handy [as in, not 'in'= an engine]. I could always=20 do it here in time but that might take a bit before I get my hands on one= that is not in an engine. =20 I'll keep you posted as this goes and see where we get. Jarrett Johnson=20 www.innovention-tech.com=20 -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://= mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ----------MB_8CDDA453ADB971A_1AB0_60915_Webmail-m110.sysops.aol.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8"
I'm telling you- go to McMaster- Carr. They have Barry shock mounts= that are just like the ones on our aircraft, except the price is a little= less- $5.95 each. That's what I used on my plane, and they work great.
 
 
Bottom of the page- 6309K35A- I used the 240 lb. Version.
 
Brian Trubee

 


-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Wiese <cardmarc@charter.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Fri, May 6, 2011 12:25 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)

Kelly,
My Bad. Been working on a friends twin commanche too much= . The motor mount is from a Cardinal RG nose retract and uses the Lyc IO36= 0 A1B6 200 hp angle valve cylinders. So it=E2=80=99s a type 1.
Maybe we can use it to test fit up that new back/front pl= ate!!
BTW, those mm shock donuts are costly for most of these= systems. We got to find cheaper compliant donuts.
Marc
 
Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
Sent: Friday, May 06, 2011 1:24 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)
 
Marc,
       The Mistral backpla= te is for a Dynafocal Type 1 , 30 degree mount ring
which is standard for most Lycoming 0-320 &&nbs= p;all 0 & I0-360 engines (that I
am aware of))..............The Dynafocal Type 2 , 18 deg= ree mount ring was
designed for a specific 0-320 engine installed in the Tw= in Comanche with
an extra 2.5 inch extended prop hub..............This pu= t the engine CG ahead
the 30 degree mount focal point  of approx 14.25 in= ches so the 18 degree
mount was designed to again put the engine CG slightly= behind the 18 degree
focal point.............If your Cardinal has the type 2= , 18 degree  mount then it
probably has a 0-320 with the extra pop hub length......= ....If not maybe Cessna
got a good deal on this particular 0-320 engine model ba= ck then.........If by
chance your Cardinal has an 0-360 then all bets are off= as I haven't heard
of a 0-360 model with the Type 2 , 18 degree mount......= ......<:)
 
     As for the 93-95 13BREW front= side plate Bryan may have found us an
unserviceable one............We will see............As= many of these engnes that
have been over-heated , over-boosted and over-reved= we should be able to
come up with a junk one.............
 
Thanks Marc,
 
 Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually= )
"1= 3B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"T= URBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
 
 
From: Marc Wiese &l= t;cardmarc@charter.net>
To: keltro@att.net
Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 8:40:02 PM
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Neede= d)
Kelly,
I also have a type II dynafocal engine mount (from a Card= inal RG!)=E2=80=A6.
Marc
 
From: Marc Wiese [mailto:cardmarc@charter.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 8:37 PM
To: 'Rotary motors in aircraft'; 'keltro@att.net'
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Neede= d)
 
I may have one of those 13Brew =E2=80=9Cfront plates=E2= =80=9D, but it is =E2=80=9Cuseable=E2=80=9D.
I too would like a dynafocal type II mount=E2=80=A6..for= both of my 13Brews and the 20B=E2=80=A6
Marc
 
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] O= n Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 6:09 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)
 
To The Rotary Group,
     Yes I know I am a troublemaker= (too much computer time available with my day job) and some of you= are probably sick of all my posts !!.............."But" with that being&n= bsp;said one of our group is seriously considering the development of a "M= istral" type
back-plate to allow the use of a standard "Lycoming" "Dy= nafocal type 1" engine mount ring that will be a virtual "Bolt-on" to the<= /SPAN>
93-95 13BREW , Cosmo 13B & 20B and the Renesis= 13B Rotarys.............Several builders and potentials have indicated th= ey
would be interested in such a back-plate (including me).= ...........I have one of the few "Mistral" back-plates that ended up in th= e
hands of experimenters (waited 2 years for it)..........= It is severely over engineered for our use (and overpriced) and has many
features we do not need...........
 
    If you have followed "Back-plate" str= ing of posts recently you know that Jarrett Johnson one our group with asp= irations to
install a Cosmo 20B in his project started the discussio= n first about an developing an intake manifold for 13B & 20B Rota= rys
(which needs to be done also) then I jumped in and= said that a common engine mount design might also be needed and if
you have been reading the posts lately a lot of info has= been kicked around about the various Rotarys and what = ;it will take to "Marry" the "Mistral" back-plate with a "RX8 "Renesi= s" water-pump (with the magic of digital scanning & CAD) to design
such a back-plate.........
 
     Those that have been on the Rot= ary forum for several years may remember Jarrett posting his trials and tr= ibulations in
building a huge CAM mill (at home).............He is a= commercial designer with the talent and equipment (including foundry= )
to pull this off............I have offered my "Mistral"= back-plate to be scanned (He trying to find someone here in Okla to= do
the  job) and I also have a "Renesis" front cover= to scan............What we really need now is a 93-95 13BREW front side
housing (unusable condition preferred as long as front= side is undamaged) to put in his hands as this is what the back-plate
will bolt to..............If someone in the group has an= unusable 93-95 13BREW front side housing they will donate I will pay
to have it shipped to Jarrett..............You may conta= ct me off the forum if you would prefer..........I have no horse in this= race
I would just like to see such a product be made availabl= e to the group..........
 
    
Ke= lly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually= )
"1= 3B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"T= URBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
 
 
From: Kelly Troyer &l= t;keltro@att.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 11:45:09 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate
Jarrett,
 
    Will be a good idea to scan both the= Mistral and Renesis housings.............You really need
a 93-95 13BREW (preferably) or Cosmo 20B front hous= ing to scan.............Most of my 13B
engines are 86-91.............My Cosmo 13B is adapt= able but lacks some of the machined bolt
and stud pads of the 13BREW, Renesis or Cosmo 20B= front side housing which you need
to make allowances for on the redesigned back-plate if= you want it to fit all three versions of
these engines..................Throw this out to the gro= up and see if someone has a 1993-95
13BREW front side hsg (need not be usable) they would do= nate or lend to the project.........
 
   You really need this front side housing in= front of you......... Even with all the scans nothing
beats having the actual hardware............IMHO<= /div>
 
Best Regards,
 
Ke= lly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually= )
"1= 3B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
"T= URBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
 
 
From: H & J Johns= on <hjjohnson@sasktel.net&= gt;
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:03 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate
Evening Kelly, so just thought I'd send a note w/ an update. I did fi= nd a fella in Tulsa who has access to a laser scanner. He's getting me som= e pricing
on what it would cost to get the job done. I'm thinking it might be= a good idea to get both the Mistral housing as well as a Renisis Front Co= ver scanned?
I'd like to get an Iron [preferably the side that mates to= the front cover] scanned as well but don't know if you've got one ha= ndy [as in, not 'in' an engine]. I could always
do it here in time but that might take a bit before I get my hands on= one that is not in an engine.
 
I'll keep you posted as this goes and= see where we get.

Jarrett Johnson
www.innoventi= on-tech.com 
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