X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com X-Junk-Score: 1 [X] X-SpamCatcher-Score: 1 [X] Return-Path: Received: from mta21.charter.net ([216.33.127.81] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with ESMTP id 4968393 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 05 May 2011 21:37:53 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.33.127.81; envelope-from=cardmarc@charter.net Received: from imp10 ([10.20.200.15]) by mta21.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.09.02.04 201-2219-117-106-20090629) with ESMTP id <20110506013719.FTWO11595.mta21.charter.net@imp10>; Thu, 5 May 2011 21:37:19 -0400 Received: from HomeDesktop ([97.94.193.28]) by imp10 with smtp.charter.net id g1dJ1g00K0dDVdd051dJV4; Thu, 05 May 2011 21:37:19 -0400 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=G6Q69DB3AUoJKS2BpLRaz8MQ2NORN7h5HRzrJMPOhRw= c=1 sm=1 a=lt7BWiPGgGcA:10 a=yUnIBFQkZM0A:10 a=4sash9Gc6afUAQh1p1CCVg==:17 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=uhPMnebkAAAA:8 a=upXHrtAQAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=f7v0KSutXU0e7V9OgugA:9 a=ZSsB3PeCSf9LqX8iJ-UA:7 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=f0s5FU26TKIA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=Hs9J3SXIuHcA:10 a=CxR3Q8K82T6motpt:21 a=ELW8GhDlooXTVWMR:21 a=yMhMjlubAAAA:8 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=xB0BEvgQU54kLwRbejkA:9 a=r2Gms6GpjVRLKrPnPI8A:7 a=g_1JJbcqBA1hfnBh:21 a=dE91_6KCjFeOdGKG:21 a=4sash9Gc6afUAQh1p1CCVg==:117 From: "Marc Wiese" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" , References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 20:37:20 -0500 Message-ID: <009901cc0b8e$244f4c60$6cede520$@charter.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_009A_01CC0B64.3B794460" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQL+9LOp/MD4EnQv+OAv57GWOWChcpIZMk0A Content-Language: en-us This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CC0B64.3B794460 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I may have one of those 13Brew "front plates", but it is "useable". I too would like a dynafocal type II mount...for both of my 13Brews and the 20B. Marc From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 6:09 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) To The Rotary Group, Yes I know I am a troublemaker (too much computer time available with my day job) and some of you are probably sick of all my posts !!.............."But" with that being said one of our group is seriously considering the development of a "Mistral" type back-plate to allow the use of a standard "Lycoming" "Dynafocal type 1" engine mount ring that will be a virtual "Bolt-on" to the 93-95 13BREW , Cosmo 13B & 20B and the Renesis 13B Rotarys.............Several builders and potentials have indicated they would be interested in such a back-plate (including me)............I have one of the few "Mistral" back-plates that ended up in the hands of experimenters (waited 2 years for it)..........It is severely over engineered for our use (and overpriced) and has many features we do not need........... If you have followed "Back-plate" string of posts recently you know that Jarrett Johnson one our group with aspirations to install a Cosmo 20B in his project started the discussion first about an developing an intake manifold for 13B & 20B Rotarys (which needs to be done also) then I jumped in and said that a common engine mount design might also be needed and if you have been reading the posts lately a lot of info has been kicked around about the various Rotarys and what it will take to "Marry" the "Mistral" back-plate with a "RX8 "Renesis" water-pump (with the magic of digital scanning & CAD) to design such a back-plate......... Those that have been on the Rotary forum for several years may remember Jarrett posting his trials and tribulations in building a huge CAM mill (at home).............He is a commercial designer with the talent and equipment (including foundry) to pull this off............I have offered my "Mistral" back-plate to be scanned (He trying to find someone here in Okla to do the job) and I also have a "Renesis" front cover to scan............What we really need now is a 93-95 13BREW front side housing (unusable condition preferred as long as front side is undamaged) to put in his hands as this is what the back-plate will bolt to..............If someone in the group has an unusable 93-95 13BREW front side housing they will donate I will pay to have it shipped to Jarrett..............You may contact me off the forum if you would prefer..........I have no horse in this race I would just like to see such a product be made available to the group.......... keltro@att.net Kelly Troyer "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) "13B ROTARY"_ Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo _____ From: Kelly Troyer To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 11:45:09 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate Jarrett, Will be a good idea to scan both the Mistral and Renesis housings.............You really need a 93-95 13BREW (preferably) or Cosmo 20B front housing to scan.............Most of my 13B engines are 86-91.............My Cosmo 13B is adaptable but lacks some of the machined bolt and stud pads of the 13BREW, Renesis or Cosmo 20B front side housing which you need to make allowances for on the redesigned back-plate if you want it to fit all three versions of these engines..................Throw this out to the group and see if someone has a 1993-95 13BREW front side hsg (need not be usable) they would donate or lend to the project......... You really need this front side housing in front of you......... Even with all the scans nothing beats having the actual hardware............IMHO Best Regards, Kelly Troyer "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) "13B ROTARY"_ Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo _____ From: H & J Johnson To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:03 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate Evening Kelly, so just thought I'd send a note w/ an update. I did find a fella in Tulsa who has access to a laser scanner. He's getting me some pricing on what it would cost to get the job done. I'm thinking it might be a good idea to get both the Mistral housing as well as a Renisis Front Cover scanned? I'd like to get an Iron [preferably the side that mates to the front cover] scanned as well but don't know if you've got one handy [as in, not 'in' an engine]. I could always do it here in time but that might take a bit before I get my hands on one that is not in an engine. I'll keep you posted as this goes and see where we get. Jarrett Johnson www.innovention-tech.com -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_009A_01CC0B64.3B794460 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I may have = one of those 13Brew “front plates”, but it is = “useable”.

I too would = like a dynafocal type II mount…..for both of my 13Brews and the = 20B…

Marc

 

From:= = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 6:09 = PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd = Needed)

 

To The = Rotary Group,

  &= nbsp;  Yes I know I am a troublemaker (too much computer time = available with my day job) and some of you are probably sick of all = my posts !!.............."But" with that being said one = of our group is seriously considering the development of a = "Mistral" type

back-plate = to allow the use of a standard "Lycoming" "Dynafocal type = 1" engine mount ring that will be a virtual "Bolt-on" to = the

93-95 = 13BREW , Cosmo 13B & 20B and the Renesis 13B = Rotarys.............Several builders and potentials have indicated = they

would be = interested in such a back-plate (including me)............I have one of = the few "Mistral" back-plates that ended up in = the

hands of = experimenters (waited 2 years for it)..........It is severely over = engineered for our use (and overpriced) and has = many

features we = do not need...........

 

  &= nbsp; If you have followed "Back-plate" string of posts = recently you know that Jarrett Johnson one our group with aspirations = to

install a = Cosmo 20B in his project started the discussion first about an = developing an intake manifold for 13B & 20B = Rotarys

(which needs = to be done also) then I jumped in and said that a = common engine mount design might also be needed and = if

you have = been reading the posts lately a lot of info has been kicked = around about the various Rotarys and what it will = take to "Marry" the "Mistral" back-plate with a = "RX8 "Renesis" water-pump (with the magic of digital = scanning & CAD) to design

such a = back-plate.........

 

  &= nbsp;  Those that have been on the Rotary forum for several years = may remember Jarrett posting his trials and tribulations = in

building a = huge CAM mill (at home).............He is a commercial designer with the = talent and equipment (including = foundry)

to pull this = off............I have offered my "Mistral" back-plate to be = scanned (He trying to find someone here in Okla to = do

the  = job) and I also have a "Renesis" front cover to = scan............What we really need now is a 93-95 13BREW front = side

housing = (unusable condition preferred as long as front side is undamaged) to put = in his hands as this is what the = back-plate

will bolt = to..............If someone in the group has an unusable 93-95 13BREW = front side housing they will donate I will = pay

to have it = shipped to Jarrett..............You may contact me off the forum if you = would prefer..........I have no horse in this = race

I would just = like to see such a product be made available to the = group..........

 

keltro@att.net

  &= nbsp; 

Kelly = Troyer
"DYKE = DELTA JD2" = (Eventually)

"13B = ROTARY"_ = Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/O= il Manifold

"TURBONE= TICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

 

 

From:= = Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, May 3, = 2011 11:45:09 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Back-plate

Jarrett,=

 

  &= nbsp; Will be a good idea to scan both the Mistral and Renesis = housings.............You really need

a 93-95 = 13BREW (preferably) or Cosmo 20B front housing to = scan.............Most of my 13B

engines are = 86-91.............My Cosmo 13B is adaptable = but lacks some of the machined = bolt

and stud = pads of the 13BREW, Renesis or Cosmo 20B front side housing which = you need

to make = allowances for on the redesigned back-plate if you want it to fit all = three versions of

these = engines..................Throw this out to the group and see if someone = has a 1993-95

13BREW front = side hsg (need not be usable) they would donate or lend to the = project.........

 

   = You really need this front side housing in front of you......... Even = with all the scans nothing

beats having = the actual hardware............IMHO

 

Best = Regards,

 

Kelly = Troyer
"DYKE = DELTA JD2" = (Eventually)

"13B = ROTARY"_ = Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/O= il Manifold

"TURBONE= TICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

 

 

From:= = H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
To: Rotary = motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: = Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:03 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Back-plate

Evening Kelly, so just thought I'd = send a note w/ an update. I did find a fella in Tulsa who has access to = a laser scanner. He's getting me some pricing

on what = it would cost to get the job done. I'm thinking it might be a good idea = to get both the Mistral housing as well as a Renisis Front Cover = scanned?

I'd like to get an Iron [preferably = the side that mates to the front cover] scanned as well but don't = know if you've got one handy [as in, not 'in' an engine]. I could always =

do it here in time but that might take a bit before I = get my hands on one that is not in an = engine.

 

I'll keep you posted as this goes and see = where we get.

Jarrett Johnson
www.innovention-tech.com = 

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