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Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: 'open source' parts
Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 16:27:31 -0700
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I was with Pat at the CAF=C9 Electric Flight Symposium and saw several =
parts,
including props and internal ducting that had been made with AFD.  The =
parts
we were shown were nearly perfect, and would need little or no =
additional
machining, but they were also chosen to bring to a show as demo pieces.

I've sent a copy of our discussions to the engineer who was there
representing the manufacturer of the machines (Stratasys) to see what he
might add to the discussion.

Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of Pat Panzera
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 3:39 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 'open source' parts

Sand casting aluminum produces a way worse finish than 3D printing.
Worse case is that you have to do some mild polishing of the runners, if
indeed the fine parallel lines cause any negative anomalies.

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 3:30 PM, H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net> =
wrote:
> Hey there Charlie. The technology to produce parts from a substance vs =

> out of it [ie; additive fabrication rather than subtractive] is pretty
new.
> There are some forms of accomplishing the job but they are not that=20
> cost effective today [any new technology is this way at the start=20
> usually]. The other limitation I've seen is the quality of surface=20
> finish. My main exposure has been in reading about it and from the=20
> articles I've seen there is generally a secondary machining operation=20
> required to get the parts to dimension. That is all fine on simple=20
> parts but something like a manifold brings new challenges as the=20
> interior of the various sections need to be smoothed out to get clean=20
> and consistant airflow. I think the time and cost of these two areas=20
> might preclude us using it at this point, however as things improve=20
> and the tech gets more affordable, this will become the way things are =

> built in the future. Imagine if everything that was ever built had a=20
> 95% reduction in waste fro m how it's built today.=A0 Your car would =
be alot
cheaper to buy, etc etc.
>
> I love thinking outside the box... [it's how I was able to build my=20
> own cnc mill!]
>
> Jarrett Johnson
> www.innovention-tech.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> Date: Thursday, May 5, 2011 12:53 pm
>
> Subject: [FlyRotary] 'open source' parts
>
>> I'm excited to see all the activity on the accessory cover/adapter=20
>> plate, & don't want to divert any attention. But Ed's post several=20
>> days ago describing how he made his intake manifold triggered a=20
>> thought that might need to go on the shelf for next action.
>>
>> The original idea that started all this was an intake manifold. My=20
>> intent is to use a very simple manifold similar to Tracy's Otter=20
>> manifold, but for those who need a more complex layout, what about
>> this:
>> If Jarrett, or anyone else on here, has access to one of the new '3D=20
>> printers', doing a manifold should be a piece of cake for anyone with =

>> CAD skills (it ain't me...). Apparently, there are 3D printers that=20
>> can use all manner of materials now. I wonder if you could 'grow' an=20
>> aluminum or other light/strong/chemical resistant manifold directly=20
>> in the printer. Something similar to the plastic coiled tube=20
>> manifolds on new V8's comes to mind.
>>
>> OK, back under my rock....
>>
>> Charlie
>>
>
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