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Thats an interesting thought Bill, something work looking at for sure.
Jarrett Johnson www.innovention-tech.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net>
Date: Thursday, May 5, 2011 11:50 am
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)
> Don't forget the oil pan helps some to hold the whole thing > together for > those of us who don't have the engine sitting on the mounting > plate. A > thinner, "defoaming" plate might be a good idea if you are looking for > something to add stiffness to the engine stack using the Mistral > design. > > > Bill B > > > > _____ > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > Behalf Of H & J Johnson > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:43 AM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) > > > > The tension bolts held everything in the Mistral design. > > That is my starting point however its not to say that there > couldn't/wouldn't be some added >
> hardware across the top to help w/ rotational stiffness as well as > bendingloads if it is warrented. I could see a such an attachement > doing several > things > > for the install, from torsional stiffness [takes out some of the > torqueloads that are currently held by the clamp force from one > housing to the > next], as well > > as bending stiffness [hard landing load downwards] as well as even > interfacing w/ an intake system to lend support there as well. At > thispoint its all > > very much in the air [pun intended]. I will end up doing lots of > modeling,some FEA and possibly going as far as getting an engineer > to evaluate the > whole > > thing before we're done. :) > > Jarrett Johnson > www.innovention-tech.com > > ----- Original Message ----- >
> From: Bryan Winberry <bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net> > > Date: Thursday, May 5, 2011 9:30 am > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) > > > Kelly or anyone else familiar, > > > > Maybe I missed it, but what did Mistral do, if anything, to > > support the > > engine forward of the mounting tabs? Or do the front plate and > > the tension > > bolts bear all the load of the engine, re-drive and prop? > > > > Bryan > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > > Behalf Of Bryan Winberry > > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 11:22 AM > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd > Needed)
> > > > > > > > Just got off the phone with Mazmart. They may have one! Will > > know for sure > > this afternoon. > > > > Bryan > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > > Behalf Of Kelly Troyer > > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2011 10:42 AM > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd > Needed) > > > > > > > > Bryan, > > > > > > > > That would be very helpful..................If you can find > > one let me > > know and I will > > > > make arrangements with Jarrett about where he will want it sent > to
> > avoidcustoms > > > > and duties as he is in Saskatchewan, Canada............. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Kelly Troyer > > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) > > > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine > > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold > > > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: Bryan Winberry <bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net> > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> > > Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 9:02:32 AM > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd > Needed) > > > > If Mazmart has one lying around, I could pick it up. I live in
> > the area. > > > > Bryan > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > > Behalf Of Kelly Troyer > > Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:09 PM > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd > Needed) > > > > > > > > To The Rotary Group, > > > > Yes I know I am a troublemaker (too much computer time > > available with > > my day job) and some of you are probably sick of all my posts > > !!.............."But" with that being said one of our group is > > seriouslyconsidering the development of a "Mistral" type > > > > back-plate to allow the use of a standard "Lycoming" "Dynafocal
> > type 1" > > engine mount ring that will be a virtual "Bolt-on" to the > > > > 93-95 13BREW , Cosmo 13B & 20B and the Renesis 13B > > Rotarys.............Several builders and potentials have > indicated > > they > > would be interested in such a back-plate (including > > me)............I have > > one of the few "Mistral" back-plates that ended up in the > > > > hands of experimenters (waited 2 years for it)..........It is > > severely over > > engineered for our use (and overpriced) and has many > > > > features we do not need........... > > > > > > > > If you have followed "Back-plate" string of posts recently > you > > know that > > Jarrett Johnson one our group with aspirations to > >
> > install a Cosmo 20B in his project started the discussion first > > about an > > developing an intake manifold for 13B & 20B Rotarys > > > > (which needs to be done also) then I jumped in and said that a > > common engine > > mount design might also be needed and if > > > > you have been reading the posts lately a lot of info has been > > kicked around > > about the various Rotarys and what it will take to "Marry" the > > "Mistral"back-plate with a "RX8 "Renesis" water-pump (with the > > magic of digital > > scanning & CAD) to design > > > > such a back-plate......... > > > > > > > > Those that have been on the Rotary forum for several years > > may remember > > Jarrett posting his trials and tribulations in > >
> > building a huge CAM mill (at home).............He is a > commercial > > designerwith the talent and equipment (including foundry) > > > > to pull this off............I have offered my "Mistral" back- > plate > > to be > > scanned (He trying to find someone here in Okla to do > > > > the job) and I also have a "Renesis" front cover to > > scan............What we > > really need now is a 93-95 13BREW front side > > > > housing (unusable condition preferred as long as front side is > > undamaged) to > > put in his hands as this is what the back-plate > > > > will bolt to..............If someone in the group has an > unusable > > 93-95 > > 13BREW front side housing they will donate I will pay > >
> > to have it shipped to Jarrett..............You may contact me > off > > the forum > > if you would prefer..........I have no horse in this race > > > > I would just like to see such a product be made available to the > > group.......... > > > > > > > > keltro@att.net > > > > > > > > Kelly Troyer > > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) > > > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine > > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold > > > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 11:45:09 PM > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate > > > > Jarrett, > > > > > > > > Will be a good idea to scan both the Mistral and Renesis > > housings.............You really need > > > > a 93-95 13BREW (preferably) or Cosmo 20B front housing to > > scan.............Most of my 13B > > > > engines are 86-91.............My Cosmo 13B is adaptable but > lacks > > some of > > the machined bolt > > > > and stud pads of the 13BREW, Renesis or Cosmo 20B front side > > housing which > > you need > > > > to make allowances for on the redesigned back-plate if you want > it > > to fit > > all three versions of > >
> > these engines..................Throw this out to the group and > see if > > someone has a 1993-95 > > > > 13BREW front side hsg (need not be usable) they would donate or > > lend to the > > project......... > > > > > > > > You really need this front side housing in front of > > you......... Even > > with all the scans nothing > > > > beats having the actual hardware............IMHO > > > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > > > > > Kelly Troyer > > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) > > > > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine > > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold > > > > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo > > > > > > > > > >
> > _____ > > > > From: H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net> > > To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> > > Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:03 PM > > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate > > > > Evening Kelly, so just thought I'd send a note w/ an update. I > did > > find a > > fella in Tulsa who has access to a laser scanner. He's getting > me some > > pricing > > > > on what it would cost to get the job done. I'm thinking it might > > be a good > > idea to get both the Mistral housing as well as a Renisis Front > Cover > > scanned? > > > > I'd like to get an Iron [preferably the side that mates to the > > front cover] > > scanned as well but don't know if you've got one handy [as in, > not
> > 'in' an > > engine]. I could always > > > > do it here in time but that might take a bit before I get my > hands > > on one > > that is not in an engine. > > > > > > > > I'll keep you posted as this goes and see where we get. > > > > Jarrett Johnson > > www.innovention-tech.com <http://www.innovention-tech.com/> > > > > -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: > > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > > > -- > > > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > > > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >
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