X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm23.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.44.150] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with SMTP id 4967753 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 05 May 2011 10:42:13 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.44.150; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.44.106] by nm23.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2011 14:41:38 -0000 Received: from [98.139.44.89] by tm11.access.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2011 14:41:38 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1026.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2011 14:41:38 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 44728.52300.bm@omp1026.access.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 1049 invoked by uid 60001); 5 May 2011 14:41:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1304606497; 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OK81ajoLpUgnbtp0njS.YdvLnfLi1.HGRGvNW_DGX_jTmgpRhbOmuSBJQXZJ Q3wwJljcLPQ67h9RATl10FISubIB_furkR_rz8.94wmvvim1NCKl9VGFR7AL jvHFFgcvOE.HAzUMA Received: from [208.114.43.64] by web83911.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 05 May 2011 07:41:37 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/559 YahooMailWebService/0.8.110.299900 References: Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 07:41:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-550282430-1304606497=:65188" --0-550282430-1304606497=:65188 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bryan,=0A=0A=A0=A0=A0 That would be very helpful..................If you ca= n find one let me know =0Aand I will =0A=0Amake arrangements with Jarrett a= bout where he will want it sent to avoid customs=0Aand duties=A0as he is in= Saskatchewan, Canada.............=0A=0AThanks,=A0=0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYK= E DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MI= STRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__= ______________________________=0AFrom: Bryan Winberry =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASe= nt: Thu, May 5, 2011 9:02:32 AM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-9= 5 Front Side Hsd Needed)=0A=0A=0AIf Mazmart has one lying around, I could p= ick it up. =A0I live in the area.=0ABryan=0A=A0=0A=0A______________________= __________=0A=0AFrom:Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironl= ine.net] On Behalf Of =0AKelly Troyer=0ASent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:09 = PM=0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (9= 3-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)=0A=A0=0ATo The Rotary Group,=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0 Yes= I know I am a troublemaker (too much computer time available=A0with my =0A= day job) and some of you are probably sick of all my posts !!..............= "But" =0Awith that being=A0said one of our group is seriously considering t= he development =0Aof a "Mistral" type=0Aback-plate to allow the use of a st= andard "Lycoming" "Dynafocal type 1" engine =0Amount ring that will be a vi= rtual "Bolt-on" to the=0A93-95 13BREW=A0, Cosmo 13B & 20B and the Renesis 1= 3B Rotarys.............Several =0Abuilders and potentials have indicated th= ey=0Awould be interested in such a back-plate (including me)............I h= ave one of =0Athe few "Mistral" back-plates that ended up in the=0Ahands of= experimenters (waited 2 years for it)..........It is severely over =0Aengi= neered for our use (and overpriced) and has many=0Afeatures we do not need.= ..........=0A=A0=0A=A0=A0=A0 If you have followed "Back-plate" string of po= sts recently you know that =0AJarrett Johnson one our group with aspiration= s to=0Ainstall a Cosmo 20B in his project started the discussion first abou= t an =0Adeveloping an=A0intake manifold for 13B & 20B Rotarys=0A(which need= s to be done also) then=A0I jumped in and said that a common=A0engine =0Amo= unt design might also be needed and if=0Ayou have been reading the posts la= tely a lot of info has been kicked =0Aaround=A0about=A0the various=A0Rotary= s and what=A0it will take to=A0"Marry" the "Mistral" =0Aback-plate with a "= RX8 "Renesis" water-pump (with the magic of digital scanning =0A& CAD) to d= esign =0A=0Asuch a back-plate.........=0A=A0=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0 Those that have= been on the Rotary forum for several years may remember =0AJarrett posting= his trials and tribulations in=0Abuilding a huge CAM mill (at home).......= ......He is a commercial designer with =0Athe talent and equipment=A0(inclu= ding foundry)=0Ato pull this off............I have offered my "Mistral" bac= k-plate to be scanned =0A(He trying to find someone=A0here in Okla to do=0A= the=A0 job) and I also have a "Renesis" front cover to scan............What= we =0Areally need now is a 93-95 13BREW front side=0Ahousing (unusable con= dition preferred as long as front side is undamaged) to put =0Ain his hands= as this is what the back-plate=0Awill bolt to..............If someone in t= he group has an unusable 93-95 13BREW =0Afront side housing they will donat= e I will pay=0Ato have it shipped to Jarrett..............You may contact m= e off the forum if =0Ayou would prefer..........I have no horse in this rac= e=0AI would just like to see such a product be made available to the group.= .........=0A=A0=0Akeltro@att.net=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELT= A JD2"(Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_= Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=0A______= __________________________=0A=0AFrom:Kelly Troyer =0ATo: Ro= tary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Tue, May 3, 2= 011 11:45:09 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate=0AJarrett,=0A=A0=0A= =A0=A0=A0 Will be a good idea to scan both the Mistral and Renesis =0Ahousi= ngs.............You really need =0A=0Aa 93-95 13BREW=A0(preferably) or Cosm= o 20B front housing to scan.............Most =0Aof my 13B=0Aengines are 86-= 91.............My=A0Cosmo 13B is adaptable but=A0lacks=A0some of=A0the =0Am= achined bolt=0Aand stud pads of the 13BREW, Renesis=A0or Cosmo 20B front si= de housing which you =0Aneed=0Ato make allowances for on the redesigned bac= k-plate if you want it to fit all =0Athree versions of=0Athese engines.....= .............Throw this out to the group and see if someone =0Ahas a 1993-9= 5=0A13BREW front side hsg (need not be usable) they would donate or lend to= the =0Aproject.........=0A=A0=0A=A0=A0 You really need this front side hou= sing in front of you......... Even with =0Aall the scans nothing =0A=0Abeat= s having the actual hardware............IMHO=0A=A0=0ABest Regards,=0A=A0=0A= Kelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2"(Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_= RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turb= o=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AFrom:H & J Johnson= =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:03 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re:= Back-plate=0AEvening Kelly, so just thought I'd send a note w/ an update. = I did find a fella =0Ain Tulsa who has access to a laser scanner. He's gett= ing me some pricing=0Aon what it would cost to get the job done. I'm thinki= ng it might be a good idea =0Ato get both the Mistral housing as well as a = Renisis Front Cover scanned? =0A=0AI'd like to get=A0an Iron=A0[preferably = the side that mates to the front =0Acover]=A0scanned as well but don't know= if you've got one handy [as in, not 'in' =0Aan engine]. I could always =0A= =0Ado it here in time but that might take a bit before I get my hands on on= e that =0Ais=A0not in an engine.=0A=A0=0AI'll keep you posted as this goes = and see where we get.=0A=0AJarrett Johnson =0Awww.innovention-tech.com =0A-= -=A0=A0=A0 Homepage:=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/=A0=A0=A0 Archive and UnSu= b:=A0=A0 =0Ahttp://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --0-550282430-1304606497=:65188 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Bryan,
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  = ;  That would be very helpful..................If you can find one let= me know and I will
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make arrangements with Jarrett about wher= e he will want it sent to avoid customs
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and duties as he = is in Saskatchewan, Canada.............
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Th= anks, 
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Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backpl= ate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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=0AFrom: Bryan Winberry <bryanwinbe= rry@bellsouth.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 9:02:32 AMSubject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)

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If Mazmart has one ly= ing around, I could pick it up.  I live in the area.

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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancair= online.net] On Behalf Of Ke= lly Troyer
Sent: Wednesd= ay, May 04, 2011 7:09 PM
To:= Rotary motors in aircraft
Subj= ect: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)

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To The Rotary Group,

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     Yes I k= now I am a troublemaker (too much computer time available with my day = job) and some of you are probably sick of all my posts !!.............."But= " with that being said one of our group is seriously considering the d= evelopment of a "Mistral" type

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back-plate to allow the use of a standard "Lycoming" "Dyn= afocal type 1" engine mount ring that will be a virtual "Bolt-on" to the

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93-95 13BREW = ;, Cosmo 13B & 20B and the Renesis 13B Rotarys.............Several buil= ders and potentials have indicated they

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=0A<= P class=3DMsoNormal>would be interested in such a back-plate (includin= g me)............I have one of the few "Mistral" back-plates that ended up = in the

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hands of= experimenters (waited 2 years for it)..........It is severely over enginee= red for our use (and overpriced) and has many

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features we do not need...........

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    If you have f= ollowed "Back-plate" string of posts recently you know that Jarrett Johnson= one our group with aspirations to

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install a Cosmo 20B in his project started the discussi= on first about an developing an intake manifold for 13B & 20B Rota= rys

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(which need= s to be done also) then I jumped in and said that a common engine= mount design might also be needed and if

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you have been reading the posts lately a lot o= f info has been kicked around about the various Rotarys and = what it will take to "Marry" the "Mistral" back-plate with a "RX8= "Renesis" water-pump (with the magic of digital scanning & CAD) to des= ign

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such a bac= k-plate.........

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 = ;    Those that have been on the Rotary forum for several ye= ars may remember Jarrett posting his trials and tribulations in

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building a huge CAM mill (= at home).............He is a commercial designer with the talent and equipm= ent (including foundry)

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to pull this off............I have offered my "Mistral" back-= plate to be scanned (He trying to find someone here in Okla to do

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the  job) and = I also have a "Renesis" front cover to scan............What we really need = now is a 93-95 13BREW front side

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housing (unusable condition preferred as long as front si= de is undamaged) to put in his hands as this is what the back-plate<= /FONT>

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will bolt to..........= ....If someone in the group has an unusable 93-95 13BREW front side housing= they will donate I will pay

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to have it shipped to Jarrett..............You may contact me= off the forum if you would prefer..........I have no horse in this race

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I would just like= to see such a product be made available to the group..........

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Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=

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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine<= BR>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

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From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net= >
Sent: Tue, May 3, 2= 011 11:45:09 PM
Subject:= [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate

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Jarrett,

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    Will be a good idea to scan both the Mistral and Renesi= s housings.............You really need

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=0A<= P class=3DMsoNormal>a 93-95 13BREW (preferably) or Cosmo 20B fron= t housing to scan.............Most of my 13B

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engines are 86-91.............My Cosmo 1= 3B is adaptable but lacks some of the machined bolt

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= and stud pads of the 13= BREW, Renesis or Cosmo 20B front side housing which you need

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<= SPAN style=3D"FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 14pt">to make allowances for o= n the redesigned back-plate if you want it to fit all three versions of

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these engines.....= .............Throw this out to the group and see if someone has a 1993-95

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13BREW front s= ide hsg (need not be usable) they would donate or lend to the project......= ...

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   You re= ally need this front side housing in front of you......... Even with all th= e scans nothing

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Best Regards,

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Kelly= Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Ev= entually)

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"13B = ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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From: H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <= flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sen= t: Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:03 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate

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= Evening Kelly, so just thought I'd send a note w/ an update. I did find a f= ella in Tulsa who has access to a laser scanner. He's getting me some prici= ng

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on what it would cost to get the job done. I'm think= ing it might be a good idea to get both the Mistral housing as well as a Re= nisis Front Cover scanned?

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I'd like to get an Iro= n [preferably the side that mates to the front cover] scanned as = well but don't know if you've got one handy [as in, not 'in' an engine]. I = could always

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do it here in time but that might take a = bit before I get my hands on one that is not in an engine.

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I'll keep= you posted as this goes and see where we get.

Jarrett Johnson
<= A href=3D"http://www.innovention-tech.com/" rel=3Dnofollow target=3D_blank>= www.innovention-tech.com 

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