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Jarrett, Ernest , et al,

Jarrett really needs the Front side housing (iron) from the 93-95 RX7 13BREW as

it has all the bolt (Stud) bosses in the correct place so his redisigned "Backplate" will fit

the most versions of the rotary (93-95 13BREW,Cosmo13B,20B and 2004+ Renesis)

Jarrett I am rethinking the stud placement to see if the 86-91 13B can be included

by retaining the top left most bolt (next to the mount ear) on the the Mistral backplate

(It was designed for the 86-91 13B) then when doing your CAD magic to place the

Renesis pump hsg on the Mistral backplate see if it covers the existing bolt position.....

If it does not then the left most bolt position of the Renesis pump hsg would not have

to be drilled for attachment to the front side hsg but have a stud (into the pump hsg) in

this position.........My crude measurements do not tell me if this is feasable but your digital

magic will tell you very quickly when you get all the hsg's scanned...........

Clear as mud wasn't that !!.............<:)

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

From: H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, May 5, 2011 12:09:02 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Backplate (93-95 13BREW front side hsg needed)

I've gotta get ahold of the one localy [don't know the year yet] .. just gotta track down his number and go get it [think he wanted a couple hundred bucks for the whole car]

Where would a guy go to find the break down of what engines were in what cars [years vs models etc]. I've never understood the naming thing and how it applies to what.

The right one will turn up I'm sure :)

Jarrett Johnson
www.innovention-tech.com

----- Original Message -----

From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>

Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2011 10:29 pm

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Backplate (93-95 13BREW front side hsg needed)

> Jarrett,
>      Figured it did not get past you............I still think you
> need a 93-95
> 13BREW front side hsg
> in house..............Should not be that great a problem to find a
> junk
> unserviceable one..........
>      I will keep working on finding one..........
>
> Kelly Troyer
> "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 10:59:20 PM
> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing
>
>
> I have Kelly, it's in my 'Mount Housing' folder w/ a huge number
> of other emails
> :)
> Still haven't heard back from this fella in Tulsa, I might have to
> give him a
> little prod and
> see how things are shaping up. If not I'm pretty sure there are
> others [possibly
> into Tx] who
> would have the equipment to get the job done.
>
> Jarrett Johnson
> www.innovention-tech.com
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
> Date:
> Wednesday, May 4, 2011 5:22 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump
> housing >
> Jarrett,
>
> >     Hope you have made note of what Mark said about the Renesis
> > front cover
> > not clearing the front counterweight of the Cosmo 20B...........
> >
> > Kelly Troyer
> > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
> > To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 11:42:40 AM
> > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing
> >
> >
> > Kelly/Tom,
> >
> > You are correct that the Renesis front cover can be made to fit
> on
> > a 13B/20B,
> > but the pan bolts are a different pattern which will require
> > modification to
> > your oil pan. Also, the 20B front counterweight is larger than
> > the Renesis
> > causing the cover to interfere with the 20B's
> > front counterweight. Material
> > will need to be milled out for the cover to fit, but in doing
> > that, you will end
> > up cutting through the cover which will require tig welding the
> > holes. Finally,
> > the RX-8 front cover is heavier than the 13B/20B front cover
> with
> > Renesis water
> > pump. Personally, I don't see an advantage to using the Renesis
> > front cover.
> >
> >
> > Mark S.
> > (Been there, done that.)
> >
> > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:11 AM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Tom,
> > >
> > >    One additional thing comes to my mind...........I do not
> have
> > a RX8 Renesis
> > >front side
> > >housing (cast iron) but from all of my research of photos I am
> > fairly confident
> > >that the
> > >RX8 front housing (aluminum) will bolt directly to the 93-
> > 95 13BREW and Cosmo
> > >13B
> > >and 20B with some minor mods (to possibly clear bolt heads on
> the
> > 20B front side
> > >hsg)
> > >and the drilling and threading of 1 to 3 existing bosses for 8
> mm
> > x 1.25 studs
> > >or bolts..
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Kelly Troyer
> > >"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> > >"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> > >"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> > >"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> > >"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
> > >
> > >To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > >Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 10:32:44 AM
> > >
> > >Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Tom,
> > >   Source for pump with improved impeller...........They also
> > have used pump and
> > >eccentric shaft pulleys......
> > >"Mazmart" is located in Atlanta, GA............
> > >
> > > http://www.mazmart.com/PartsList.aspx?id=27&n=NEW&m=6
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >Kelly Troyer
> > >"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> > >"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> > >"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> > >"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> > >"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Tom Giddings <tom@midwestaviation.net>
> > >To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > >Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 10:17:50 AM
> > >Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing
> > >
> > >
> > >Thanks Again!!
> > >
> > >Kind Regards
> > >Tom Giddings
> > >VP Avionics Sales
> > >Midwest Avionics
> > >200 Hardy Roberts Drive
> > >Paducah, KY 42086-0219
> > >877-904-9966
> > >tom@midwestavionics.net
> > >Online Store
> > >www.midwest-avionics.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On May 4, 2011, at 11:08 AM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >Tom,
> > >>    Try these two RX8 recyclers............
> > >>
> > >>ss427bb@hotmail.com Brian Galloway in Calif..........Used by
> > Greg Ward
> > >>(Turbo/20B)
> > >>
> > >>mrmazda@sbcglobal.net Curtis James in Texas............Used
> by
> > CozyGirrls, Mark
> > >>(I believe) & myself
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Kelly Troyer
> > >>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
> > >>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
> > >>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
> > >>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold
> > >>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > ________________________________
> > From: Thomas Giddings <tom@midwestaviation.net>
> > >>To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
> > >>Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 9:02:53 AM
> > >>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: water pump housing
> > >>
> > >>Mark: Thanks again....I must be getting old.. I remember now
> > that you did tell
> > >>me that in one of our phone conversations...just now sinking
> > in...as matter of
> > >>fact i just found the photo's you sent of your pump housing
> and
> > engine set -up.
> > >>Kelly...you are a very helpful resource as well..I will try to
> > find this after
> > >>market pump. The question is does anyone have a RX8 water pump
> > housing they
> > >>would sell?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>Tom Giddings
> > >>VP Avionics Sales
> > >>MIDWEST AVIONICS
> > >>200 Hardy Roberts Dr
> > >>PO Box 219
> > >>West Paducah,KY 42086
> > >>877-904 9966
> > >>Cell; 727 858-1772
> > >>FAX:270 744 3466
> > >>tom@midwestaviation.net
> > >>Online Store
> > >>www.midwest-avionics.com
> > >>
> > >><Midwest>
> > >>
> > >>On May 4, 2011, at 9:52 AM, Mark Steitle wrote:
> > >>
> > >>Tom,
> > >>>
> > >>>I'm running a modified Renesis water pump housing. As you
> > know, the 20B WP
> > >>>housing is very tall with the thermostat section protruding
> up
> > above the
> > >>>engine. The Renesis WP housing uses a side intake/discharge
> > but is integrated
> > >>>with the front cover.  The WP section must be cut away from
> the
> > remainder of the
> > >>>Renesis front cover to be used on a non-Renesis application.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>The Renesis WP cartridge is much lighter than the cast iron
> 20B
> > cartridge, but
> > >>>the impellor is very cheaply made. In the stock
> configuration,
> > it may not pump
> > >>>enough coolant to cool a 3-rotor. I went with an aftermarket
> > WP cartridge which
> > >>>has a SS impellor similar to that of the 20B. I'll have to
> > look for the info on
> > >>>that. Pump was a bit pricey at $265.
> > >>>
> > >>>You may also need a custom WP pulley to run a Renesis pump on
> a
> > non-renesis
> > >>>engine.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>Mark
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:14 PM, Thomas Giddings
> > <tom@midwestaviation.net>
> > >>>wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>Can anyone tell me which water pump housing will lower the
> > overall height of the
> > >>>housing on the stock 20B. I need to keep it the height of
> > block if possible. I
> > >>>have seen some photos of one that would work.It was on a two
> > rotor engine.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>Tom Giddings
> > >>>>VP Avionics Sales
> > >>>>MIDWEST AVIONICS
> > >>>>200 Hardy Roberts Dr
> > >>>>PO Box 219
> > >>>>West Paducah,KY 42086
> > >>>>877-904 9966
> > >>>>Cell; 727 858-1772
> > >>>>FAX:270 744 3466
> > >>>>tom@midwestaviation.net
> > >>>>Online Store
> > >>>>www.midwest-avionics.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
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