X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm17-vm0.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com ([66.94.236.21] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c3j) with SMTP id 4967694 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 05 May 2011 09:59:13 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.94.236.21; envelope-from=bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net Received: from [66.94.237.197] by nm17.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2011 13:58:36 -0000 Received: from [66.94.237.116] by tm8.access.bullet.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2011 13:58:36 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1021.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 05 May 2011 13:58:36 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 718404.90216.bm@omp1021.access.mail.mud.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 92549 invoked from network); 5 May 2011 13:58:36 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=bellsouth.net; s=s1024; t=1304603916; bh=R/2AxdJugqBYm01tNvN5eRn2fM4My8RW3O0/B616zSc=; h=Received:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:From:To:References:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Mailer:Thread-Index:In-Reply-To:X-MimeOLE; b=KjkW8IAlPkXNAwaBFAgy8feeoSYVZLYjq7biKVKWexx0Jdn/9wEg8qpBUrq7dviHBP+aV5BHsZmX7AVJnaXiQEMm/dB+P8LpfpgPbJarD42Rw4C2vwS3Fb3NbZAzFWt/MwqZQUd4aJW7D447jY2fCBuXq4SXLZuGgwGf90+5V4M= Received: from acer7fbfa7e2f7 (bryanwinberry@98.88.57.6 with login) by smtp105.sbc.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 05 May 2011 06:58:35 -0700 PDT X-Yahoo-SMTP: OSuEAS2swBAaBd4uKxevNivslbMG7JXpWjAWZVmoYyRm6qcW_W2VUA-- X-YMail-OSG: BA3S.sIVM1nsvG2k_mSU5.MSi7lxYsZrUznylT5ustMq_LD El9AV0L06DYuBptyDIw8boB1esx9iKnDMcMsyBBjC0ewjXWzyPckrW6Fbdl. 3x4s6thtXA5mN5WotI0XyG2OTRl3.0754k8cw3zYpsiSUdMXD8rbukGuOJEX 22YJb03U9SV51Z7yf0xAcbxq69NUmy88guTzIq9v6c9wrKMf53fsns85N7Gg UB.SnVD3TEwnEBYITmWCOsRNFo9C13xtMIcsyalgwfNtH_JjxUhIfch_DXB1 O31ZD15y2UgYZuzyfKALul26HGmJH0sZZvN2joi4IFRQ_djHxkDSqzRr.ZBQ qsYB8UFyzM8cNDaV1bEiK7q0- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 From: "Bryan Winberry" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) Date: Thu, 5 May 2011 10:02:32 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01CC0B0B.8D9CC8B0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcwKsFAG0nuHqfC+SOuESumvbrbczwAfKzog In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.6090 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CC0B0B.8D9CC8B0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit If Mazmart has one lying around, I could pick it up. I live in the area. Bryan _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2011 7:09 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed) To The Rotary Group, Yes I know I am a troublemaker (too much computer time available with my day job) and some of you are probably sick of all my posts !!.............."But" with that being said one of our group is seriously considering the development of a "Mistral" type back-plate to allow the use of a standard "Lycoming" "Dynafocal type 1" engine mount ring that will be a virtual "Bolt-on" to the 93-95 13BREW , Cosmo 13B & 20B and the Renesis 13B Rotarys.............Several builders and potentials have indicated they would be interested in such a back-plate (including me)............I have one of the few "Mistral" back-plates that ended up in the hands of experimenters (waited 2 years for it)..........It is severely over engineered for our use (and overpriced) and has many features we do not need........... If you have followed "Back-plate" string of posts recently you know that Jarrett Johnson one our group with aspirations to install a Cosmo 20B in his project started the discussion first about an developing an intake manifold for 13B & 20B Rotarys (which needs to be done also) then I jumped in and said that a common engine mount design might also be needed and if you have been reading the posts lately a lot of info has been kicked around about the various Rotarys and what it will take to "Marry" the "Mistral" back-plate with a "RX8 "Renesis" water-pump (with the magic of digital scanning & CAD) to design such a back-plate......... Those that have been on the Rotary forum for several years may remember Jarrett posting his trials and tribulations in building a huge CAM mill (at home).............He is a commercial designer with the talent and equipment (including foundry) to pull this off............I have offered my "Mistral" back-plate to be scanned (He trying to find someone here in Okla to do the job) and I also have a "Renesis" front cover to scan............What we really need now is a 93-95 13BREW front side housing (unusable condition preferred as long as front side is undamaged) to put in his hands as this is what the back-plate will bolt to..............If someone in the group has an unusable 93-95 13BREW front side housing they will donate I will pay to have it shipped to Jarrett..............You may contact me off the forum if you would prefer..........I have no horse in this race I would just like to see such a product be made available to the group.......... keltro@att.net Kelly Troyer "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) "13B ROTARY"_ Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo _____ From: Kelly Troyer To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 11:45:09 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate Jarrett, Will be a good idea to scan both the Mistral and Renesis housings.............You really need a 93-95 13BREW (preferably) or Cosmo 20B front housing to scan.............Most of my 13B engines are 86-91.............My Cosmo 13B is adaptable but lacks some of the machined bolt and stud pads of the 13BREW, Renesis or Cosmo 20B front side housing which you need to make allowances for on the redesigned back-plate if you want it to fit all three versions of these engines..................Throw this out to the group and see if someone has a 1993-95 13BREW front side hsg (need not be usable) they would donate or lend to the project......... You really need this front side housing in front of you......... Even with all the scans nothing beats having the actual hardware............IMHO Best Regards, Kelly Troyer "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) "13B ROTARY"_ Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo _____ From: H & J Johnson To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 10:43:03 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate Evening Kelly, so just thought I'd send a note w/ an update. I did find a fella in Tulsa who has access to a laser scanner. He's getting me some pricing on what it would cost to get the job done. I'm thinking it might be a good idea to get both the Mistral housing as well as a Renisis Front Cover scanned? I'd like to get an Iron [preferably the side that mates to the front cover] scanned as well but don't know if you've got one handy [as in, not 'in' an engine]. I could always do it here in time but that might take a bit before I get my hands on one that is not in an engine. I'll keep you posted as this goes and see where we get. Jarrett Johnson www.innovention-tech.com -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01CC0B0B.8D9CC8B0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

If Mazmart has one lying around, I = could pick it up.  I live in the area.

Bryan

 

From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
Sent: Wednesday, May 04, = 2011 7:09 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Back-plate (93-95 Front Side Hsd Needed)

 

To The Rotary Group,

     Yes I know I am a = troublemaker (too much computer time available with my day job) and some of you are = probably sick of all my posts !!.............."But" with that = being said one of our group is seriously considering the development of a "Mistral" type

back-plate to allow the use of a standard "Lycoming" "Dynafocal type 1" engine mount ring that = will be a virtual "Bolt-on" to the

93-95 13BREW , Cosmo 13B & 20B and the = Renesis 13B Rotarys.............Several builders and potentials have indicated = they

would be interested in such a back-plate (including me)............I have one of the few "Mistral" back-plates = that ended up in the

hands of experimenters (waited 2 years for = it)..........It is severely over engineered for our use (and overpriced) and has = many

features we do not = need...........

 

    If you have followed "Back-plate" string of posts recently you know that Jarrett = Johnson one our group with aspirations to

install a Cosmo 20B in his project started the = discussion first about an developing an intake manifold for 13B & 20B = Rotarys

(which needs to be done also) then I jumped in = and said that a common engine mount design might also be needed and = if

you have been reading the posts lately a lot of info = has been kicked around about the various Rotarys and = what it will take to "Marry" the "Mistral" back-plate = with a "RX8 "Renesis" water-pump (with the magic of digital = scanning & CAD) to design

such a = back-plate.........

 

     Those that have been on the = Rotary forum for several years may remember Jarrett posting his trials and tribulations in

building a huge CAM mill (at home).............He is a commercial designer with the talent and equipment (including foundry)

to pull this off............I have offered my "Mistral" back-plate to be scanned (He trying to find someone here in Okla to do

the  job) and I also have a "Renesis" = front cover to scan............What we really need now is a 93-95 13BREW front = side

housing (unusable condition preferred as long as = front side is undamaged) to put in his hands as this is what the = back-plate

will bolt to..............If someone in the group has = an unusable 93-95 13BREW front side housing they will donate I will = pay

to have it shipped to Jarrett..............You may = contact me off the forum if you would prefer..........I have no horse in this = race

I would just like to see such a product be made = available to the group..........

 

    

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA = JD2" = (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E= 50 Turbo

 

 

From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 = 11:45:09 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate

Jarrett,

 

    Will be a good idea to scan both = the Mistral and Renesis housings.............You really need =

a 93-95 13BREW (preferably) or Cosmo 20B front = housing to scan.............Most of my 13B

engines are 86-91.............My Cosmo 13B is = adaptable but lacks some of the machined = bolt

and stud pads of the 13BREW, Renesis or Cosmo = 20B front side housing which you need

to make allowances for on the redesigned back-plate = if you want it to fit all three versions of

these engines..................Throw this out to the = group and see if someone has a 1993-95

13BREW front side hsg (need not be usable) they would = donate or lend to the project.........

 

   You really need this front side housing = in front of you......... Even with all the scans nothing =

beats having the actual = hardware............IMHO

 

Best Regards,

 

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA = JD2" = (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E= 50 Turbo

 

 

From: H & J Johnson <hjjohnson@sasktel.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 = 10:43:03 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Back-plate

Evening Kelly, so just thought I'd send a note w/ an update. I did find a fella = in Tulsa who has = access to a laser scanner. He's getting me some pricing

on what it would cost to get the job done. I'm thinking it might be a good idea = to get both the Mistral housing as well as a Renisis Front Cover scanned? =

I'd like to get an Iron [preferably the side that mates to the front cover] scanned as well but don't know if you've got one handy [as = in, not 'in' an engine]. I could always

do it here in time but that might take a bit before I get my hands on one that is not in an engine.

 

I'll keep you posted as this goes and see = where we get.

Jarrett Johnson
www.innovention-tech.com 

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