X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.76] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2o) with SMTP id 4880621 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 23:19:28 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.76; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.91.63] by nm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2011 04:18:53 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.46] by tm3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2011 04:18:53 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1046.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 24 Feb 2011 04:18:53 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 500672.57911.bm@omp1046.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 94335 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Feb 2011 04:18:53 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1298521133; bh=3gmVXFmwHaG+tJTE+SUJb60EYRFEcILP1gaOX4Il8Ck=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vxbEx+rC18A56KAaYC4c1+f1ih48fKonM1t8k5DZzSv4Pwhq6AVQh9/b3GnIu4j2TA8vvwJL1IlsnxuWtoC8uub//5KNBBr4vTCPzmAUSrBcUoQaJ+dZLZlx670x1O190rlJLRUgGBAbUHAz5FaQzsoq5F8HLVsCh29CvMf363A= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=wxgmIuXV1lZOxK7gz+iPjkOTBzvGSqlUO6cz/SAa8m7Nu83y8eHYyLe9dToQtlsjQn8os5Fqmr0aLsrD+CCxX2BWa3N6wZF3PeB2Tkv/wdH31H+M8zy4KnxgosQbXaSmOKUtuj3F80dGGPylnR98/32THit2r9tLIDpXvfxiIQE=; Message-ID: <370908.94027.qm@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 8WnIBjgVM1mOutSY1yvdJ2AqeDUfHlv91fBBiMnq9lvwXnk fz5WjEBqzhPishR44L5tdSI3Zc3lsEbPhfayyVTMhxyMlmN2q1USwpft5HJ4 FWy6fJ3bSp1UAnJKjjsf44X2jcTGZedd6lRQatXOWXesr1XTJ4NZa01Nd3b8 tFbstRo2U8bkELQHIxD4mglxdLI34cAMdmQNJNWnlTnYF348aQSLTV5h5Aii SQqzX.ze7ydXgopK7.yK_6_gAULwe2USEUIHEjLV9NJF7ek3XgkNPIwVJOX0 pTLQi Received: from [208.114.46.59] by web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:18:53 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/555 YahooMailWebService/0.8.109.292656 References: Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 20:18:53 -0800 (PST) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Diagnostic help please I think regarding coils/plugs EC2 etc To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-303131698-1298521133=:94027" --0-303131698-1298521133=:94027 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris,=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Is compresson closer to equal on both rotors now ?= ?...................=0A=A0=A0=A0 =0A=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (= Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backpla= te/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________= ________________=0AFrom: Chris Barber =0ATo: Rot= ary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Wed, February = 23, 2011 8:46:43 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Diagnostic help please I think r= egarding coils/plugs EC2 =0Aetc=0A=0A=0AI got my engine buckled back up wit= h the new seals and everything back on the =0Aplane.=0A=A0=0AI have gotten = it to start, but, honestly, it does not seem as smooth as it has =0Ain the = past.=0A=A0=0AHowever, the good new =A0is, so far, it is starting much easi= er. Hard starting, =0Aespecially when hot has been a=A0consistent problem.= =0A=A0=0AThat being said, I am having some=A0anomalies other than some roug= her running.=A0 =0AThe most notable is that I was not getting the engine to= start on Computer A at =0Aany mixture level, however, I would=A0switch to = B and advance the mixture to about =0A3 o'clock and it would start about as= well as it ever had, =0Aconsistently.=A0Controller A has been reset to fac= tory defaults, however, =0AController B is set to some long forgotten setti= ngs (if I understand=A0correctly =0Athere is not way to see the settings on= B, but the fact it is starting on B at =0Aleast indicates it can start).= =A0 I hesitate to=A0transfer A to=A0B until I can get =0AA=A0functioning we= ll. =A0Once started, it "sounds" to be missing a bit.=A0 To try to =0Adiagn= ose it I first checked the plugs.=A0 The were installed new day before =0Ay= esterday.=A0 All looked as I would expect and all have been fired so some k= ind of =0Aignition event is occurring.=A0 =0A=0A=A0=0ATo try to dig a littl= e deeper, I disconnected the trailing plugs and the engine =0Anow=A0started= on Controller A without problem.=A0 I tried to disconnect all the =0Aplugs= in various=A0manners (only front rotor, only primary, only secondary and = =0Aonly rear).=A0 It would start with difficulty on B with all the plugs co= nnected, =0ABut would not start at all with just the front or rear rotor co= nnected.=A0 I was =0Asomewhat concerned I may have been running on only one= chamber, however, trying =0Ato run the engine on only one chamber with no = success seems to dismiss the =0Aidea=A0that I was only running on one rotor= chamber.=0A=A0=0AI hooked up all the plugs again and now when I started I = turned OFF the =0Asecondary coil=A0switch and the engine started well on Co= ntroller A and run well.=A0 =0AHmmmmm.=A0 I would turn the secondary coils = on once started and it would seem to =0Arun a little stronger.=A0 However, = when I had both the primary coils on AND the =0Asecondary coils on when STA= RTING, the engine was hard to start and would not run =0Aas smoothly as whe= n=A0started with just the primaries and then turning the =0Asecondary coils= on.=0A=A0=0AIf I remember correctly, the primary and secondary plugs spark= at the same time =0Awith the=A0RWS Controller, however, it seems almost as= if the=A0secondary's are =0A"fighting" the primaries.=A0 Like I mentioned,= the A=A0controller was reset to =0Afactory settings following my=A0lasts a= ssembly.=0A=A0=0AAm I triggering any thoughts. What am I missing.=A0 What n= ext diagnostic would you =0Aguys/gals suggest?=A0 Yes, I have verified the = spark plug wires are going from the =0Acorrect coil to the correct plug. Wh= en I hooked all the plugs back up I slightly =0Amoved around the plug wires= , I had the two front rotor wires crossing over my B =0Alead to my alternat= or so I gave these wires more separation.=A0 It seemed to have =0Ahelped th= e roughness a bit.=A0 I am likely to buy new and better plug =0Awires=A0tom= orrow as the ones I have=A0have been around awhile and were not the =0Ahigh= est quality as I was in a base development stage at the time.=0A=A0=0ASince= the list has been=A0soooooo quiet as of late, other than my posting of my = =0Abent apex seals I am supposing that y'all have=A0plenty of time to give = =0Athis=A0latest issue some thought.....unless of course you have all been = out =0Aflying, thus not posting ;-)=0A=A0=0AThanks guys, I do feel a little= closer today.=0A=A0=0AChris --0-303131698-1298521133=:94027 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Chris,
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      = Is compresson closer to equal on both rotors now ??...................=0A
   
 
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Kelly Troyer
<= FONT size=3D4>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Bac= kplate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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=0AFrom: Chris Barber <cbarber@te= xasattorney.net>
To: = Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wed, February 23, 2011 8:46:43 = PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] = Diagnostic help please I think regarding coils/plugs EC2 etc

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I got my engine buckled back up with the new seals and everything ba= ck on the plane.

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I have gotten it to start, but, h= onestly, it does not seem as smooth as it has in the past.

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However, the good new  is, so far, it is starting much easier= . Hard starting, especially when hot has been a consistent problem.

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That being said, I am having s= ome anomalies other than some rougher running.&n= bsp; The most notable is that I was not getting the engine to start on Comp= uter A at any mixture level, however, I would switch= to B and advance the mixture to about 3 o'clock and it would start abo= ut as well as it ever had, consistently. Control= ler A has been reset to factory defaults, however, Controller B is set to s= ome long forgotten settings (if I understand correctly there is not way to see the settings on B, but the fact it is starti= ng on B at least indicates it can start).  I hesitate to transfer= A to B until I can get A functioning well.  Once started, it "sounds" to be missing a bit.=   To try to diagnose it I first checked the plugs.  The were inst= alled new day before yesterday.  All looked as I would expect and all have been fired so some kind of ignition = event is occurring. 

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T= o try to dig a little deeper, I disconnected the trailing plugs and the eng= ine now started on Controller A without problem.  I tried to disc= onnect all the plugs in various manners (only front rotor, only primary, only secondary and only rear).  It would start with = difficulty on B with all the plugs connected, But would not start at all wi= th just the front or rear rotor connected.  I was somewhat concerned I= may have been running on only one chamber, however, trying to run the engi= ne on only one chamber with no success seems to dismiss the idea that = I was only running on one rotor chamber.

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I hooked = up all the plugs again and now when I started I turned OFF the secondary co= il switch and the engine s= tarted well on Controller A and run well.  Hmmmmm.  = I would turn the secondary coils on once started and it would seem to run a= little stronger.  However, when I had both the primary coils on AND t= he secondary coils on when STARTING, the engine was hard to start and would= not run as smoothly as when started with just the primaries and then turning the secondary coils on.=

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If I remember correctly, the primary and secondary plugs spark at the same time = with the RWS Controller, however, it seems almost as if t= he secondary's are "fighti= ng" the primaries.  Like I mentioned, the A controller was reset to factory settings following m= y lasts assembly.

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Am I triggerin= g any thoughts. What am I missing.  What next diagnostic would you guy= s/gals suggest?  Yes, I have verified the spark plug wires are going f= rom the correct coil to the correct plug. When I hooked all the plugs back = up I slightly moved around the plug wires, I had the two front rotor wires = crossing over my B lead to my alternator so I gave these wires more separat= ion.  It seemed to have he= lped the roughness a bit.  I am likely to buy new and better plug wire= s tomorrow as the ones I h= ave have= been around awhile and were not the highest qual= ity as I was in a base development stage at the time.

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Since the list has been soooooo quiet as of late, other than my posting of my bent apex seals I= am supposing that y'all have plenty of time to = give this latest issue some thought.....unless o= f course you have all been out flying, thus not posting ;-)

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Thanks guys, I do feel a little closer today.

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Chris

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