X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fed1rmfepo103.cox.net ([68.230.241.145] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2k) with ESMTP id 4863433 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 21:18:36 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=68.230.241.145; envelope-from=alventures@cox.net Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmfepo103.cox.net (InterMail vM.8.01.04.00 201-2260-137-20101110) with ESMTP id <20110213021759.KXBG20516.fed1rmfepo103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 21:17:59 -0500 Received: from BigAl ([72.199.216.14]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 7EHz1g0010KDB3c04EHzT1; Sat, 12 Feb 2011 21:17:59 -0500 X-VR-Score: 0.00 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=IuZcMeaAqbjwXk96YmLJ1mvypdMtfTvAMXn5aAYmawA= c=1 sm=1 a=TPvrVRyicAsl4VeEYn0L5g==:17 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=oBwIPN4CAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=l3twmPgFb9eVMAOI2pUA:9 a=mBp8jB9JpV4fWnq44poA:7 a=9cxmdnqbUcwr-TobU9WfSq3nGJ4A:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=sZ7ilQD69fglRY_y:21 a=2_jlMwXV_k7gWH5I:21 a=kxni6ZnK-oWSudh-B1EA:9 a=LVEdH6WMb91w_I5wouQA:7 a=qiogI2xYmlPnP_XpQc_cNp0A4CAA:4 a=-FRUKzImzqIA:10 a=TPvrVRyicAsl4VeEYn0L5g==:117 X-CM-Score: 0.00 Authentication-Results: cox.net; none From: "Al Gietzen" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Ethanol Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 18:20:28 -0800 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0007_01CBCAE1.868D7160" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6863 Importance: Normal Thread-Index: AcvLHPM0/cxjADR9T3SgK/UC1BudcQABnq0A X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5994 In-Reply-To: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CBCAE1.868D7160 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 Sugar cane is grown here. Basically only grows well in the tropics. You can make ethanol out of what ever you want. It will never make = sense. Your gas mileage will drop by what ever percent ethanol you use because there is less energy in ethanol than gas. That would suggest using 100% ethanol your mileage would be zero; when actually it would drop by about 15%. Last years race, the Indy cars ran = on 100% ethanol - worked rather well. =20 The big difference is by using the entire cane stalk you can get better = than 4 : 1 energy back for energy in. Brazil produces large quantities of ethanol; and does it efficiently. =20 Al =20 Bill B =20 _____ =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Al Gietzen Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:04 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ethanol =20 So I guess we are starting this all over again? Perhaps we could all = just point out to Mr Westenhaus that it is not a question of whether ethanol works as a fuel - of course it does. What is absurd is to produce = ethanol from corn kernels where the overall energy used (in the form of = petroleum fuel) to produce the corn and the ethanol is only about 4% less than the energy obtained from the ethanol produced. =20 As Lynn said at the beginning - without taxpayer subsidy it would die in = a hurry. =20 Now if we could produce the ethanol from sugar cane, as they do in = Brazil; it would make sense. =20 Al =20 -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Finn Lassen Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 11:02 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Ethanol =20 Now if we could just get a 6th option: 87 unleaded E-0: =20 http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Biofuels/Ethanol-Works-and-is-Here= -to -Stay.html =20 Finn =20 -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0007_01CBCAE1.868D7160 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

Sugar cane is = grown here.

Basically only grows well in the tropics.

  You can = make ethanol out of what ever you want.  It will never make sense.  = Your gas mileage will drop by what ever percent ethanol you use because there = is less energy in ethanol than gas.

That would suggest using 100% = ethanol your mileage would be zero; when actually it would drop by about 15%. =  Last years race, the Indy cars ran on 100% ethanol – worked rather = well.

 

The big difference is by using = the entire cane stalk you can get better than 4 : 1 energy back for energy = in. Brazil produces = large quantities of ethanol; and does it efficiently.

 

Al

 

Bill = B

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Al Gietzen
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 7:04 PM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Ethanol

 

So I guess we are = starting this all over again?  Perhaps we could all just point out to Mr = Westenhaus that it is not a question of whether ethanol works as a fuel - of course it does.  What is absurd is to produce ethanol from corn kernels where = the overall energy used (in the form of petroleum fuel) to produce the corn = and the ethanol is only about 4% less than the energy obtained from the ethanol produced.

 

As Lynn said at the = beginning – without taxpayer subsidy it would die in a hurry.

 

Now if we could produce = the ethanol from sugar cane, as they do in Brazil; it would make sense.

 

Al

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On = Behalf Of Finn Lassen
Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 11:02 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Ethanol

 

Now if we could just get a 6th option: 87 = unleaded E-0:

 

http://oilprice.com/Alternative-Energy/Biofuel= s/Ethanol-Works-and-is-Here-to-Stay.html

 

Finn

 

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