X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.64] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2k) with ESMTP id 4861355 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 19:27:12 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=76.96.30.64; envelope-from=hoursaway1@comcast.net Received: from omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.92]) by qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6QCQ1g0061zF43QA7QSe4d; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 00:26:38 +0000 Received: from sz0081.ev.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.26.137]) by omta24.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 6QSd1g00x2xV6SL8kQSdaC; Fri, 11 Feb 2011 00:26:38 +0000 Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 00:26:37 +0000 (UTC) From: hoursaway1@comcast.net To: Rotary motors in aircraft Message-ID: <302465938.382246.1297383997299.JavaMail.root@sz0081a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> In-Reply-To: <1481546611.381658.1297383371607.JavaMail.root@sz0081a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Replaced Tension Bolt, Oil Seal, Thrust Bearing ... back ... MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_382245_682710037.1297383997298" X-Originating-IP: [68.61.190.35] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.5_GA_2431.RHEL5_64 (ZimbraWebClient - IE8 (Win)/6.0.5_GA_2427.RHEL4) ------=_Part_382245_682710037.1297383997298 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All this was said=C2=A040 years ago.=C2=A0 =C2=A0"""We will be out of oil i= n twenty years"""=C2=A0 Coffee is bad for you""" now coffee is good for you= & we have more oil than anyone ever dreamed available + being used many ti= mes more efficiently,=C2=A0 the """ones in the know ...do not know!!!!=C2= =A0=C2=A0But they can predict the weather 50 years from now.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0David R. Cook=C2=A0=C2=A0 = RV6A=C2=A0 Rotary=C2=A0 -4 deg. F. Lansing MI.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "David Staten" =20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" =20 Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:15:02 AM=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Replaced Tension Bolt, Oil Seal, Thrust Bearing ..= . back ...=20 Well, I can agree with Lynn for one thing.. Carter was 2nd worst president = ever.... (After Bush 43)...=C2=A0 :P=20 Ethanol in fuel was never about efficiency. NEVER. It was about replacing a= very toxic oxygenate (MTBE) with something cleaner burning and less toxic.= Lead in aviation fuel will go the same way.. its inevitable. One plant mak= es the lead that goes in=C2=A0it. They go tits up and the 25 percent of the= aviation fleet that burns 75 percent of the leaded avgas will be knee-capp= ed brutally.=20 Biofuel is not exclusively ethanol. Its also HYDROCARBONS synthesized or pr= ocessed from living matter, as opposed to fossil fuels naturally developed = from long dead matter. Its bacteria in a digester/reactor with a feedstock = and a product stream. Ethanol is in cars to reduce smog.. nothing more. Bio= fuels in aircraft do not necessarily have to include ethanol (but it could)= .=20 Ifwe dont start doing more than paying lip service to preserving our enviro= nment, we will have the worlds best military protecting the worlds largest = ecological wasteland.=20 As long as we are overly=C2=A0dependent on fossil fuels, we will be subject= to the foreign policy of others. Biofuels, Nuclear, Solar, Wind, Hydroelec= tric... all things that need to be developed further. And if we wait until = its too late to transition, our worlds best military will be reduced to thr= owing rocks and writing nasty letters, because our turbine powered planes a= nd tanks dont run on good intentions.=20 Personally... if we have to burn oil... Why burn mine (ours)=C2=A0when I ca= n burn yours (theirs)..=20 I'm not hardly a hairy, stoned, tree hugging hippie, but I do recognize the= ir point..=20 Dave=20 On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 7:24 PM, < hoursaway1@comcast.net > wrote:=20 Lynn for President,,,,,,,,,,( might be in central FL this winter, will cont= act, stop & say hi )=C2=A0=C2=A0 David R. Cook=C2=A0 RV6A=C2=A0=C2=A0 Rotar= y.=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Lehanover@aol.com=20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" < flyrotary@lancaironline.net >=20 Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2011 1:39:57 PM=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Replaced Tension Bolt, Oil Seal, Thrust Bearing ..= . back ...=20 In a message dated 2/9/2011 12:02:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jwhaley@da= tacast.com writes:=20 Interesting enough, though the scary part is there=E2=80=99s no mention in = the text of AVGAS or GAS =E2=80=A6 only the subject uses the term AVGAS.=20 The text body uses the terms =E2=80=9C unleaded, sustainable general aviati= on fuel, credible renewable, unleaded fuel, 'green' fuel and the exclusive = use of biofuel in air show performances ."=C2=A0 I fear this is another att= empt to push ETHANOL or heavy ethanol-blended fuel.=20 Jeff=20 If you take away government subsidies from the green fuel tree hugger play.= Gasohol would be gone in a month. It takes almost a gallon of fuel to prod= uce a gallon of gasohol. You have to boil it. It is made just like Jack Dan= ials.=20 It is the biggest victory of form over function ever imagined by mankind.= =20 The farmers love it because they save money as the kernel quality is lower,= and the water content is higher, and they get government money. The govern= ment pays the oil companies to use it. The oil companies get to displace ac= tual gasoline with the crap for even more profits, and the user pays all of= them extra in taxes so you can get 30% less mileage and performance. But w= ait...........there's more.........Plus the better corn not now being grown= for feed stock plastics and human consumption has boosted the price of tha= t corn. So the farmer profits again. The beef man looses his a__, and you p= ay even higher beef, pork and poultry prices in addition the taxes that sup= port this house of cards. When beef prices get high enough, dairy herds are= thinned at higher rates (younger) and milk production drops. Milk prices g= o up.=20 What to do?=C2=A0=20 Send the entire energy department home. Established in 75 to eliminate our = dependence on offshore oil.=20 Eliminate all farm subsidies. Phase out oil imports to zero over the next 7= years. Drill here. Drill now.=20 We can be cut off at the knees and turned into a 3rd world country by the t= owel heads who hate us. If you don't remember the oil crisis of 74 under th= e (Now) second worst president in this country's history, Jimmy Carter, Loo= k it up. Long lines on odd license number days, or even license number days= for 10 gallons of fuel.=20 The worlds strongest military reduced to writing nasty letters?????=C2=A0= =20 If the tree huggers want to live in mud huts, smoke dope, and use gasohol l= et them pay for it with their money not mine.=20 Look up Bakken oil formation.=20 Lynn E. Hanover=C2=A0=20 ------=_Part_382245_682710037.1297383997298 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <= div style=3D'font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000'>All this = was said 40 years ago.   """We will be out of oil in twenty = years"""  Coffee is bad for you""" now coffee is good for you & we= have more oil than anyone ever dreamed available + being used many times m= ore efficiently,  the """ones in the know ...do not know!!!! &nbs= p;But they can predict the weather 50 years from now.   &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;       David R. Cook   RV6A&nb= sp; Rotary  -4 deg. F. Lansing MI.
----- Original Message -----
= From: "David Staten" <david.staten@gmail.com>
To: "Rotary motors i= n aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thursday, February= 10, 2011 2:15:02 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Replaced Tension Bolt, Oil= Seal, Thrust Bearing ... back ...

Well, I can agree with Lynn for one thing.. Carter was 2nd worst presi= dent ever.... (After Bush 43)...  :P
 
Ethanol in fuel was never about efficiency. NEVER. It was about replac= ing a very toxic oxygenate (MTBE) with something cleaner burning and less t= oxic. Lead in aviation fuel will go the same way.. its inevitable. One plan= t makes the lead that goes in it. They go tits up and the 25 percent o= f the aviation fleet that burns 75 percent of the leaded avgas will be knee= -capped brutally.
 
Biofuel is not exclusively ethanol. Its also HYDROCARBONS synthesized = or processed from living matter, as opposed to fossil fuels naturally devel= oped from long dead matter. Its bacteria in a digester/reactor with a feeds= tock and a product stream. Ethanol is in cars to reduce smog.. nothing more= . Biofuels in aircraft do not necessarily have to include ethanol (but it c= ould).
 
Ifwe dont start doing more than paying lip service to preserving our e= nvironment, we will have the worlds best military protecting the worlds lar= gest ecological wasteland.
 
As long as we are overly dependent on fossil fuels, we will be su= bject to the foreign policy of others. Biofuels, Nuclear, Solar, Wind, Hydr= oelectric... all things that need to be developed further. And if we wait u= ntil its too late to transition, our worlds best military will be reduced t= o throwing rocks and writing nasty letters, because our turbine powered pla= nes and tanks dont run on good intentions.

Personally... if we have= to burn oil... Why burn mine (ours) when I can burn yours (theirs)..<= /DIV>
 
I'm not hardly a hairy, stoned, tree hugging hippie, but I do recogniz= e their point..
 
Dave
 
 
On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 7:24 PM, &l= t;hoursaway1@comc= ast.net> wrote:
Lynn for= President,,,,,,,,,,( might be in central FL this winter, will contact, sto= p & say hi )   David R. Cook  RV6A   Rotary.----- Original Message -----
From: Lehanover@aol.com
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = <flyrotar= y@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2011 1:39:57 PM=
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Replaced Tension Bolt, Oil Seal, Thrust Bearin= g ... back ...

In a message dated 2/9/2011 12:02:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jwhaley@datacast.com= writes:

Interesting enough, tho= ugh the scary part is there=E2=80=99s no mention in the text of AVGAS or GA= S =E2=80=A6 only the subject uses the term AVGAS.

The text body uses the = terms =E2=80=9Cunleaded, sustainable general aviation fuel, credible renewable, unleaded fuel, 'green' fu= el and the exclusive use of biofuel in air show performances."  I fear this is another attempt to push ETHANOL or = heavy ethanol-blended fuel.

Jeff

If you take away government subsidies from the green fuel tree hugger = play. Gasohol would be gone in a month. It takes almost a gallon of fuel to= produce a gallon of gasohol. You have to boil it. It is made just like Jac= k Danials.
 
It is the biggest victory of form over function ever imagined by manki= nd.
 
The farmers love it because they save money as the kernel quality is l= ower, and the water content is higher, and they get government money. The g= overnment pays the oil companies to use it. The oil companies get to displa= ce actual gasoline with the crap for even more profits, and the user pays a= ll of them extra in taxes so you can get 30% less mileage and performance. = But wait...........there's more.........Plus the better corn not now being = grown for feed stock plastics and human consumption has boosted the price o= f that corn. So the farmer profits again. The beef man looses his a__, and = you pay even higher beef, pork and poultry prices in addition the taxes tha= t support this house of cards. When beef prices get high enough, dairy herd= s are thinned at higher rates (younger) and milk production drops. Milk pri= ces go up.
 
What to do? 
 
Send the entire energy department home. Established in 75 to eliminate= our dependence on offshore oil.
 
Eliminate all farm subsidies. Phase out oil imports to zero over the n= ext 7 years. Drill here. Drill now.
 
We can be cut off at the knees and turned into a 3rd world country by = the towel heads who hate us. If you don't remember the oil crisis of 74 und= er the (Now) second worst president in this country's history, Jimmy Carter= , Look it up. Long lines on odd license number days, or even license number= days for 10 gallons of fuel.
 
The worlds strongest military reduced to writing nasty letters?????&nb= sp;
 
If the tree huggers want to live in mud huts, smoke dope, and use gaso= hol let them pay for it with their money not mine.
 
Look up Bakken oil formation.
 
Lynn E. Hanover 

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