X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-wy0-f180.google.com ([74.125.82.180] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2k) with ESMTPS id 4860377 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 10 Feb 2011 02:15:39 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.125.82.180; envelope-from=david.staten@gmail.com Received: by wyb28 with SMTP id 28so1060491wyb.25 for ; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 23:15:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=3lNxseAv53xzeW+PYeZj+QzLXSX8Scb3xqFUIVPbxWk=; b=uqmRLzh7Na303ELmvWoGH0LQ5lmniI1Gzb19fAoD1yqinXXBZVAFGTrt/EApfUgPo5 NqLkhBjmI1IibALyeLaGRTEE8RFKs1ZWxQRKjkc+Xb/1dVwpwfTwqIy87sqkI+uTL3yu vl1keRQ2onL+Wod0nj7UO8cw60SgMRqN6d4OE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=Ke2svy3cRMafSlQ+/82VSNuWWZCMkltW0Ei+fxEXK/gmtMoyctNCsa6hi6YRVKFnpd HftifeKDHk/idtp6mbw5bmT30oYzZA0AsAvHdpVKtxFyqhYi9RLg2qO9Z4k74GDhfe9G gvl9R1KB71QCaJAIP3fw6IKt0Kc3NQSSfsqHM= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.127.138 with SMTP id g10mr7205007wbs.105.1297322102922; Wed, 09 Feb 2011 23:15:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.227.152.73 with HTTP; Wed, 9 Feb 2011 23:15:02 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 01:15:02 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Replaced Tension Bolt, Oil Seal, Thrust Bearing ... back ... From: David Staten To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0014853941081a9ead049be8574d --0014853941081a9ead049be8574d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, I can agree with Lynn for one thing.. Carter was 2nd worst president ever.... (After Bush 43)... :P Ethanol in fuel was never about efficiency. NEVER. It was about replacing a very toxic oxygenate (MTBE) with something cleaner burning and less toxic. Lead in aviation fuel will go the same way.. its inevitable. One plant make= s the lead that goes in it. They go tits up and the 25 percent of the aviatio= n fleet that burns 75 percent of the leaded avgas will be knee-capped brutally. Biofuel is not exclusively ethanol. Its also HYDROCARBONS synthesized or processed from living matter, as opposed to fossil fuels naturally develope= d from long dead matter. Its bacteria in a digester/reactor with a feedstock and a product stream. Ethanol is in cars to reduce smog.. nothing more. Biofuels in aircraft do not necessarily have to include ethanol (but it could). Ifwe dont start doing more than paying lip service to preserving our environment, we will have the worlds best military protecting the worlds largest ecological wasteland. As long as we are overly dependent on fossil fuels, we will be subject to the foreign policy of others. Biofuels, Nuclear, Solar, Wind, Hydroelectric... all things that need to be developed further. And if we wait until its too late to transition, our worlds best military will be reduced to throwing rocks and writing nasty letters, because our turbine powered planes and tanks dont run on good intentions. Personally... if we have to burn oil... Why burn mine (ours) when I can bur= n yours (theirs).. I'm not hardly a hairy, stoned, tree hugging hippie, but I do recognize their point.. Dave On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 7:24 PM, wrote: > Lynn for President,,,,,,,,,,( might be in central FL this winter, will > contact, stop & say hi ) David R. Cook RV6A Rotary. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lehanover@aol.com > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2011 1:39:57 PM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Replaced Tension Bolt, Oil Seal, Thrust Bearing > ... back ... > > In a message dated 2/9/2011 12:02:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jwhaley@datacast.com writes: > > Interesting enough, though the scary part is there=92s no mention in the = text > of AVGAS or GAS =85 only the subject uses the term AVGAS. > > The text body uses the terms =93unleaded, sustainable general aviation fu= el, credible > renewable, unleaded fuel, 'green' fuel and the exclusive use of biofuel i= n > air show performances." I fear this is another attempt to push ETHANOL o= r > heavy ethanol-blended fuel. > > Jeff > > If you take away government subsidies from the green fuel tree hugger > play. Gasohol would be gone in a month. It takes almost a gallon of fuel = to > produce a gallon of gasohol. You have to boil it. It is made just like Ja= ck > Danials. > > It is the biggest victory of form over function ever imagined by mankind. > > The farmers love it because they save money as the kernel quality is lowe= r, > and the water content is higher, and they get government money. The > government pays the oil companies to use it. The oil companies get to > displace actual gasoline with the crap for even more profits, and the use= r > pays all of them extra in taxes so you can get 30% less mileage and > performance. But wait...........there's more.........Plus the better corn > not now being grown for feed stock plastics and human consumption has > boosted the price of that corn. So the farmer profits again. The beef man > looses his a__, and you pay even higher beef, pork and poultry prices in > addition the taxes that support this house of cards. When beef prices get > high enough, dairy herds are thinned at higher rates (younger) and milk > production drops. Milk prices go up. > > What to do? > > Send the entire energy department home. Established in 75 to eliminate ou= r > dependence on offshore oil. > > Eliminate all farm subsidies. Phase out oil imports to zero over the next= 7 > years. Drill here. Drill now. > > We can be cut off at the knees and turned into a 3rd world country by the > towel heads who hate us. If you don't remember the oil crisis of 74 under > the (Now) second worst president in this country's history, Jimmy Carter, > Look it up. Long lines on odd license number days, or even license number > days for 10 gallons of fuel. > > The worlds strongest military reduced to writing nasty letters????? > > If the tree huggers want to live in mud huts, smoke dope, and use gasohol > let them pay for it with their money not mine. > > Look up Bakken oil formation. > > Lynn E. Hanover > --0014853941081a9ead049be8574d Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Well, I can agree with Lynn for one thing.. Carter was 2nd worst presi= dent ever.... (After Bush 43)...=A0 :P
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Ethanol in fuel was never about efficiency. NEVER. It was about replac= ing a very toxic oxygenate (MTBE) with something cleaner burning and less t= oxic. Lead in aviation fuel will go the same way.. its inevitable. One plan= t makes the lead that goes in=A0it. They go tits up and the 25 percent of t= he aviation fleet that burns 75 percent of the leaded avgas will be knee-ca= pped brutally.
=A0
Biofuel is not exclusively ethanol. Its also HYDROCARBONS synthesized = or processed from living matter, as opposed to fossil fuels naturally devel= oped from long dead matter. Its bacteria in a digester/reactor with a feeds= tock and a product stream. Ethanol is in cars to reduce smog.. nothing more= . Biofuels in aircraft do not necessarily have to include ethanol (but it c= ould).
=A0
Ifwe dont start doing more than paying lip service to preserving our e= nvironment, we will have the worlds best military protecting the worlds lar= gest ecological wasteland.
=A0
As long as we are overly=A0dependent on fossil fuels, we will be subje= ct to the foreign policy of others. Biofuels, Nuclear, Solar, Wind, Hydroel= ectric... all things that need to be developed further. And if we wait unti= l its too late to transition, our worlds best military will be reduced to t= hrowing rocks and writing nasty letters, because our turbine powered planes= and tanks dont run on good intentions.

Personally... if we have to burn oil... Why burn mine (ours)=A0when I c= an burn yours (theirs)..
=A0
I'm not hardly a hairy, stoned, tree hugging hippie, but I do reco= gnize their point..
=A0
Dave
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On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 7:24 PM, <hoursaway1@comcast.net&= gt; wrote:
Lynn for= President,,,,,,,,,,( might be in central FL this winter, will contact, sto= p & say hi )=A0=A0 David R. Cook=A0 RV6A=A0=A0 Rotary.
----- Origina= l Message -----
From: Lehanover@aol.= com
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net<= /a>>
Sent: Wednesday, February 9, 2011 1:39:57 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Re= placed Tension Bolt, Oil Seal, Thrust Bearing ... back ...
If you take away government subsidies from the green fuel tree hugger = play. Gasohol would be gone in a month. It takes almost a gallon of fuel to= produce a gallon of gasohol. You have to boil it. It is made just like Jac= k Danials.
=A0
It is the biggest victory of form over function ever imagined by manki= nd.
=A0
The farmers love it because they save money as the kernel quality is l= ower, and the water content is higher, and they get government money. The g= overnment pays the oil companies to use it. The oil companies get to displa= ce actual gasoline with the crap for even more profits, and the user pays a= ll of them extra in taxes so you can get 30% less mileage and performance. = But wait...........there's more.........Plus the better corn not now be= ing grown for feed stock plastics and human consumption has boosted the pri= ce of that corn. So the farmer profits again. The beef man looses his a__, = and you pay even higher beef, pork and poultry prices in addition the taxes= that support this house of cards. When beef prices get high enough, dairy = herds are thinned at higher rates (younger) and milk production drops. Milk= prices go up.
=A0
What to do?=A0
=A0
Send the entire energy department home. Established in 75 to eliminate= our dependence on offshore oil.
=A0
Eliminate all farm subsidies. Phase out oil imports to zero over the n= ext 7 years. Drill here. Drill now.
=A0
We can be cut off at the knees and turned into a 3rd world country by = the towel heads who hate us. If you don't remember the oil crisis of 74= under the (Now) second worst president in this country's history, Jimm= y Carter, Look it up. Long lines on odd license number days, or even licens= e number days for 10 gallons of fuel.
=A0
The worlds strongest military reduced to writing nasty letters?????=A0=
=A0
If the tree huggers want to live in mud huts, smoke dope, and use gaso= hol let them pay for it with their money not mine.
=A0
Look up Bakken oil formation.
=A0
Lynn E. Hanover=A0

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