Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #53704
From: Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net>
Subject: Case bolts and torque readings
Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2011 08:07:57 -0800 (PST)
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Lynn,
   Forgive me if I am a little dense but after your explanation and all the mention of  torque
readings based on "Dry Threads" then your statement to use "Antiseize" which method
produces the most accurate and repeatable torque readings ??............In my hunt for bolts
of the correct thread length for the "Dynaocal" mounts to bolt to my "Mistral" backplate to
my engine mount I obtained a lot of info regarding bolt torque from the "ARP" (well known
fastener company)........Their torque procedure recommendation includes the use of their
own brand of thread lubricant...............
 
   I can understand that the early 13B (86-88) thin bolts are much less stiff in torsion and
would give less reliable torque readings than the later (89+) bolts..............I personally will
not use the early (86-88) bolts in my flying engines..............
    

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo




From: "Lehanover@aol.com" <Lehanover@aol.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Thu, February 3, 2011 8:54:07 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Case bolts and torque readings

Check with Lynn I think you are to use the larger bolts ONLY, maybe can replace one at a time & not dissturb anything, I do know that the larger bolts were used on the eng. that Bruce built.   David R. Cook  RV6A 
The torque idea is based on how much drag is generated between the rolled threads on the bolt and the cut
threads in the hole. So, clean and dry for both sets of threads give the highest torque reading per unit of bolt tension. One of those "Round-A-bout" methods of recovering data.
 
If the threads are all uniform and the gizmo that torques them up was calibrated this morning, and the clutch on the one that does number 9 has not run out of lubrication again and is torqueing number into the stratosphere.
 
In any case we count on a completely dry hole and bolt to predict an important outcome.
 
Case bolts are not torqued into their elastic range. This may have been the case with the reduced diameter
early bolts, but the full diameter bolts would probably deform some pieces. The thick bolts produce a more uniform torque because they are stiffer in torsion. A truly dry hole with the early bolts produce a stall and then a breakaway with a squeak. Then the torque is lost and the bolt must be turned further and so-on.
 
So, I just put anti seize on the threads and both sides of the washers. This is what Racing Beat says to do.
 
This added tension makes the stack stiffer in bending and torsion. It helps rotor housing deformation during detonation. This is where the loaded surface of the housing turns black from scrubbing on the irons.
 
In high output engines the spark plug side gets every hole oversized and dowels added. All of the case bolts outside the doweled area are over sized for added torsional stiffness.
 
So, replacing a thin bolt with a thick bolt would produce a slightly higher tension, but not enough to matter, so long as the bolt was dry and the hole is dry.
 
If the rear of the engine is available, I would retorque the whole stack. Mark the bolt heads and the iron with a dot from a Sharpie and be amazed by how many bolts pull down further.
 
One at a time in the proper order: turn the bolt backwards one full revolution with a breaker bar not the torque wrench. Then with a calibrated clicker style torque tighten the bolt in one continuous motion until the wrench clicks the first time.  
 
Do the whole sequence a second time. Not the loosen part, just check the torque again. Several may move a bit more.
 
Torqueing a new build is different than an assembled and run engine.
 
Download the free Racing Beat manual and catalogue. Then read it..........
 
Lynn E. Hanover
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