X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-ew0-f52.google.com ([209.85.215.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2a) with ESMTPS id 4831510 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 11:06:14 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.215.52; envelope-from=dmlobner@gmail.com Received: by ewy23 with SMTP id 23so2345990ewy.25 for ; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:05:36 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=km9ehfiOnRK2I6j7lHk7w8EdgUxQcFaS3CIOy/uOfMQ=; b=Y8BKDtureiVVrPcCzKWyZciCezNe3HbArBvcoOkVivqUKeNHsRBD7ubB+E3N4W0Rga 3aS0ypDudtxPzNwN0ZIs0vp/Zf1NrdDN1AmYqFBEXWSSvMhRPNS86bZ/Zzki4iX9Jhyn z7FAt6Au2cjUmycfXNQOguQPyVUrq89abC+cI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=T9h5ZqGTUG9xX7Zem9MqwRuPgCaLFTvi6vAm8flgyp0/yWWKUqRmNX8R40WkWuPC79 42d1Vq3LGJwh4cnQgzRpIiQoCkwjoK/9V+rJfXclxMXh++ANXqgtVp4p9sZnYck+IE1T 1ksLr9gX/xWggmE0/dTHcyBQ8MUXEY1Jxqe74= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.104.136 with SMTP id p8mr7333884ebo.59.1296403535758; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:05:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.213.105.133 with HTTP; Sun, 30 Jan 2011 08:05:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2011 10:05:35 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] backup RAT alternator From: Dustin Lobner To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd1e5443c0595049b127813 --000e0cd1e5443c0595049b127813 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is awesome. The one I was looking at using (the Gennipod) has a 100kt limit on it. That's pretty much perfect. On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Marc Wiese wrote: > You mean this? > > http://www.basicaircraft.com/ > > Been around for years. STC=92d for C210s=85..but you could use it as is. > > Marc Wiese > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *O= n > Behalf Of *Eric Deslauriers > *Sent:* Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:54 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Ignition systems > > > > Well one could go to the extent of installing a RAT (Ram Air Turbine) to > provide current for critical equipment. > > > > See contact issue 101, the junior ace featured in it as something similar > but used as a primary source of current. > > > > Just install it like the big boys do=85 inside the cowls with a way to dr= op > it outside in the airstream=85 > > > > > > *Eric Deslauriers, CMA* > > Directeur principal / Senior Manager > > Juricomptabilit=E9 et =E9valuation d'entreprises / Forensic accounting an= d > business valuation > > Demers Beaulne S.E.N.C.R.L. > > 1100, boul Ren=E9-L=E9vesque Ouest, 20i=E8me =E9tage > > Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) H3B 4N4 > > T=E9l=E9phone : (514) 878-0290 > > Mobile : (514) 887-2136 > > T=E9l=E9copieur : (514) 874-0319 > > mailto:edeslauriers@demersbeaulne.com > > http://www.demersbeaulne.com > > > > > > [image: Description : bannerF468x60] > > *De :* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] *De > la part de* Dustin Lobner > *Envoy=E9 :* 27 janvier 2011 08:21 > *=C0 :* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Objet :* [FlyRotary] Re: Ignition systems > > > > The magnetos were an example, I was hoping for something like P-mags whic= h > are electronic ignition but don't require external power to operate (tiny > little alternator built in). Was the "solid state dang near bullet proof= " > that you talk of Tracy's unit? > > I know how to do a dual-buss setup, with dual alternators, dual batteries= , > etc. If I can avoid the weight, that would be nice, hence me asking. > > Regarding having an hour of flying time after electrical failure, what if= I > want more than that? > > Dustin > > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Dave wrote: > > On 1/26/2011 11:01 PM, Dustin Lobner wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > I was just wondering, what is available for ignition systems for a Renesi= s? > I was hoping that there would be something like a magneto or a P-mag tha= t > would still work if the electrical system failed. I'm thinking about usi= ng > Rotec's TBI fuel injection system (mechanical fuel injection) that can wo= rk > gravity fed if need be. Only thing I'd need then would be a self-sustain= ing > ignition system and things would be looking good. > > Dustin > > Let me understand.. you want to trade a solid state dang near bullet proo= f > ignition system for something that has less energy and requires regular > overhaul and servicing? > > Unless you are installing in a high wing, gravity fed will be a non-start= er > (even as a back up). > > You would be better served with a dual battery redundant electrical syste= m. > Some folks are even running permanent magnet generators. If you lose an > alternator/charging source, you can shed dang near all your load, and hav= e > over an hour flying time to get on the ground.. > > Chris's plane has dual battery, independent busses, and dual alternators. > That setup is less failure prone than a mechanical device that WILL requi= re > overhaul or replacement every 500 hours or so. > > To answer your question, I dont know of ANYONE running mags on any auto > conversion engines at all. Just lawnmowers and > lycomings/continentals/franklins. > > Dave > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > --000e0cd1e5443c0595049b127813 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That is awesome.=A0 The one I was looking at using (the Gennipod) has a 100= kt limit on it.=A0 That's pretty much perfect.

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Marc Wiese <= ;cardmarc@charter.net> wrote:

You mean this?

http://www.basicaircraft.c= om/

Been around for years. STC=92d for C210s=85..but you could use it as= is.

Marc Wiese<= /span>

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From:= Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancair= online.net] On Behalf Of Eric Deslauriers
Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:54 AM
To: Rotary motors= in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ignition systems

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Well one cou= ld go to the extent of installing a RAT (Ram Air Turbine) to provide curren= t for critical equipment.

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See contact issue 1= 01, the junior ace featured in it as something similar but used as a primar= y source of current.

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Just install it lik= e the big boys do=85 inside the cowls with a way to drop it outside in the = airstream=85

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Directeur principal / Senior Manager

Juricomptabilit=E9 et =E9valuation d'entreprises / Forensic account= ing and business valuation

Demers Beaulne S.E.N.C.R.L.=

1100, boul Ren=E9-L=E9vesque Ouest, 20i=E8me =E9tage

Mont= r=E9al (Qu=E9bec) H3B 4N4

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De= =A0: Rotary motors = in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] De la part de Dustin Lo= bner
Envoy=E9=A0: 27 janvier 2011 08:21
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Objet=A0: [FlyRotary] Re: Ignition systems

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The magnetos were an example, I was hoping for somethi= ng like P-mags which are electronic ignition but don't require external= power to operate (tiny little alternator built in).=A0 Was the "solid= state dang near bullet proof" that you talk of Tracy's unit?

I know how to do a dual-buss setup, with dual alternators, dual batteri= es, etc.=A0 If I can avoid the weight, that would be nice, hence me asking.=

Regarding having an hour of flying time after electrical failure, w= hat if I want more than that?

Dustin

On We= d, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Dave <david.staten@gmail.com> wrote:

On 1/26/2011 11:01 PM, Dustin L= obner wrote:

Hi Every= one,

I was just wondering, what is available for ignition systems fo= r a Renesis? =A0I was hoping that there would be something like a magneto o= r a P-mag that would still work if the electrical system failed. =A0I'm= thinking about using Rotec's TBI fuel injection system (mechanical fue= l injection) that can work gravity fed if need be. =A0Only thing I'd ne= ed then would be a self-sustaining ignition system and things would be look= ing good.

Dustin

Let me understand.. you want to trade a solid state dang near bullet proo= f ignition system for something that has less energy and requires regular o= verhaul and servicing?

Unless you are installing in a high wing, gravity fed will be a non-sta= rter (even as a back up).

You would be better served with a dual bat= tery redundant electrical system. Some folks are even running permanent mag= net generators. If you lose an alternator/charging source, you can shed dan= g near all your load, and have over an hour flying time to get on the groun= d..

Chris's plane has dual battery, independent busses, and dual altern= ators. That setup is less failure prone than a mechanical device that WILL = require overhaul or replacement every 500 hours or so.

To answer you= r question, I dont know of ANYONE running mags on any auto conversion engin= es at all. Just lawnmowers and lycomings/continentals/franklins.

Dave

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