Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #53655
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Ignition systems
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 08:52:53 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Hi Dustin,
 
I have flown behind the same automobile generator for over 10 years (550+ Rotary hours) without a single problem with it.  I flew for the first 5 years or so with dual batteries but finally realized that the only thing I used the extra battery for was to assist on starts on cold mornings - so I finally removed the second battery.
 
I actually build an ignition monitor for the Pmags on Lycomings and so have some familarity with it and consider it an excellent step up from magnetos - however, it is hard to beat solid state reliability when the circuit is well design - they will generally far outlast anything mechancial.
 
You can fly approx 45 minutes on a sound 17 AH battery (don't ask me how I know) before things start to unwind.  Probably for up to an hour if you shut down everything electrical  you don't need to fly.
 
On the other hand, you have to feel comfortable and have confidence in what you are flying behind or its not worth doing.
 
Ed
 
Edward L. Anderson
Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton Road
Weddington, NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com

Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 8:20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ignition systems

The magnetos were an example, I was hoping for something like P-mags which are electronic ignition but don't require external power to operate (tiny little alternator built in).  Was the "solid state dang near bullet proof" that you talk of Tracy's unit?

I know how to do a dual-buss setup, with dual alternators, dual batteries, etc.  If I can avoid the weight, that would be nice, hence me asking.

Regarding having an hour of flying time after electrical failure, what if I want more than that?

Dustin

On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Dave <david.staten@gmail.com> wrote:
On 1/26/2011 11:01 PM, Dustin Lobner wrote:
Hi Everyone,

I was just wondering, what is available for ignition systems for a Renesis?  I was hoping that there would be something like a magneto or a P-mag that would still work if the electrical system failed.  I'm thinking about using Rotec's TBI fuel injection system (mechanical fuel injection) that can work gravity fed if need be.  Only thing I'd need then would be a self-sustaining ignition system and things would be looking good.

Dustin
Let me understand.. you want to trade a solid state dang near bullet proof ignition system for something that has less energy and requires regular overhaul and servicing?

Unless you are installing in a high wing, gravity fed will be a non-starter (even as a back up).

You would be better served with a dual battery redundant electrical system. Some folks are even running permanent magnet generators. If you lose an alternator/charging source, you can shed dang near all your load, and have over an hour flying time to get on the ground..

Chris's plane has dual battery, independent busses, and dual alternators. That setup is less failure prone than a mechanical device that WILL require overhaul or replacement every 500 hours or so.

To answer your question, I dont know of ANYONE running mags on any auto conversion engines at all. Just lawnmowers and lycomings/continentals/franklins.

Dave

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