Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #53641
From: Bobby J. Hughes <bhughes@qnsi.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: Supercharged Rotary
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 11:36:12 -0600
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

Dustin,

 

I have an Eaton MP90 super charger. My decision to use a super charger instead of a turbo was made early in the design process. At that time everyone seemed to be destroying turbo as fast as they could be repaired. I believe most / possibly all the turbo issues have been resolved by others on this list. I considered a simpler intake, no intercooler and less heat mass under the cowl a positive. In reality a turbo is probably a better choice depending on your engine. Super charger drive losses are substantial and that HP needs to be cooled. A turbo and muffler are likely to weight less than a super charger, mount, exhaust manifold and muffler. For optimum intercooler efficiency (60%) you need a 10-1 air flow ratio. Not letting the intercooler air into the cowl would keep it from competing with engine cooling air. If using a Renesis I would be very careful with a turbo. Pettit Racing has some information \ solutions regarding exhaust port damage due to the side ports, back pressure and heat. A turbo may need to be located further away from the exhaust ports.  Also the longevity of super chargers using self contained oil has not been established in our application. I occasionally check the super charger like the gear box. Gear lashing and end play.  The attached performance expectations are probably within 5% of reality. 5 psi is about the limit with a super charger. If you run more boost you will need an intercooler. Intercooler losses means more boost. That means a larger / heaver super charger or turning it faster. I ended up running water injection during take off (38-40” MP) as a compromise.

 

Bobby

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Dustin Lobner
Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 9:42 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Supercharged Rotary

 

My main thought is that the intake and exhaust manifolds would be a lot simpler to deal with...

Dustin

On Sat, Jan 22, 2011 at 10:19 AM, <shipchief@aol.com> wrote:

I don't really see a benefit to a supercharger. Althought the turbo is possibly heavier, the muffler can be lighter due to the exhaust energy being partially used up by the turbo. the Supercharged engine would have to carry a heavier muffler system, offsetting any savings there.

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Bryan Winberry <bryanwinberry@bellsouth.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

Sent: Fri, Jan 21, 2011 5:50 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Supercharged Rotary

I believe Bobby Hughes in Austin is whom you’re thinking of.

Bryan

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Dwayne Parkinson
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 6:59 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Supercharged Rotary

 

I didn't see a reply to this so I'll take a shot.  YES.  There's at least one super charged rotary installation.  I believe it's somewhere in Texas.

 

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Happy building / flying

 


From: Dustin Lobner <dmlobner@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sun, January 9, 2011 4:21:08 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Supercharged Rotary

Hi everyone,

If going with an intake boosting system, everything I've heard so far is for using turbos.  Has anyone ever used a supercharger?  I can't help but think that a supercharger would be a) more rugged b) easier/simpler to install and c) lighter weight (for the whole install) compared to a turbo.  I also know that your efficiency is going to be down compared to a turbo. 

What I was thinking was using something like this:  http://www.procharger.com/pdf/C-1.pdf  <--- beware it's a 3MB file.

Thoughts?

Dustin
Rockford, IL

 

 

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