X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm16-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.210] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.4c2a) with SMTP id 4823136 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 19:50:14 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.210; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.91.66] by nm16.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 00:49:37 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.25] by tm6.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 00:49:37 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1025.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 23 Jan 2011 00:49:37 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 695509.25631.bm@omp1025.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 29935 invoked by uid 60001); 23 Jan 2011 00:49:37 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1295743777; bh=cRVo2IPeHYJAs7p0GNNGTrWF3SvXSfB75/yvcc9aPS0=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=duxMKrrP11a1M7SR4u60F+vnMfNRevt6j/3gGq0xhTHxw9cGm4FKFbm03wDf1TvU3KM1DHz2bLHOUp3e6qqKhZwbdPDu72nTL85fTnl6eDNG+3D+5Aa5+8gZxIqxo9CeyI0w74XCQTQdFJZMyCt5APabr5+lKKNHWd8AAPCkIP8= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ATSjmJd2+Z5JZdSrcHvlLdfNumQZ4dq1GVZcJnqhDh+EB5p3uhyhTKUr2wDJTMt50YtfipJwElz12H6lJpBVw03CLlTaWrspLyquwQRq/n0BS4gWjxYvVO79kjk0pd7IACIDpn799trHoXlFbDnsf9tg9Kd4vlejP1YP1jQWDXY=; Message-ID: <565744.29456.qm@web83903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: hvtuZikVM1myT4eHHTD1D3rQbtEDqEqCjalRiJCZgDpFIy6 2_7.tM3T7y.bLn80HQh3occPa1atblHgnxdOQp3m8f7L0d.4JsQ_A_Jh1NZR eu0g9CiBWzjRQBOf_6EYGHSxSs6dlTJ4gGzJY47R88CDNr2TEn2gl_AkJnfI 58o3Y4KaVEtfCvG9c1o5zFduNF9QF_kk9xmrdXl7YXQSSpotGt..WJyTcfw0 chmXqKc8LAY.0V4cxsvdntEfecuNH_ZmCSu2Zr4XftiCsOw994nXnTN.ltU2 xHJsLayGNNA-- Received: from [208.114.38.34] by web83903.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 22 Jan 2011 16:49:37 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/555 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: Date: Sat, 22 Jan 2011 16:49:37 -0800 (PST) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: Charge Air Pre-Heat To: Rotary motors in aircraft Cc: CozyGirrrl@aol.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1608534088-1295743777=:29456" --0-1608534088-1295743777=:29456 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lynn,=0A=C2=A0 Now this is a combustion analogy even I can=C2=A0understand = !!................From =0Aa former Navy=C2=A0Avionics Tech............<:)= =0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine= =0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO= 4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: "Lehanove= r@aol.com" =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Sat, January 22, 2011 5:41:06 PM=0ASubject: [FlyR= otary] Re: Charge Air Pre-Heat=0A=0AIn a message dated 1/22/2011 2:21:11 P.= M. Eastern Standard Time, keltro@att.net =0Awrites:=0AHope all you Flyer's = (and hope to be flyer's)=C2=A0both NA and Turbo are=C2=A0following =0Athis = thread ??..........Listen=0A>when our=C2=A0 "Rotary Engine Guru" speaks !!.= ..............This info will allow us =0A>to out-distance our backward=0A>L= ycoming powered brethren...................<:)=0A>=0A>=0A>Kelly Troyer=0A>= =0A=C2=A0 =0AYou may remember the hot rodder down the street or two blocks = over who seemed to =0Aknow so much about car engines. Who seemed to have a = fan club of urchins like =0Ayourself who stood by in wide eyed amazement at= the sound of Glass packs shaking =0Athe ground. He did seem to put a lot o= f engines into that old Mercury didn't he? =0A=0ABoys, she was running real= strong just before those pistons turned up in the oil =0Apan. =0A=0A=0ABes= t power mixture. =0A=0AI did not understand the power of an explosion until= the day we were setting off =0Aour Carbide rockets in front of Billy Oakle= y's house on Waverly street. A =0ACarbide rocket is a big juice can=0Awith = about 2=E2=80=9D of water in it. Inverted into the first can is a second ca= n that =0Ais just a bit taller than the first so that about 1/2=E2=80=9D in= ch of the can sticks up =0Aout of the first can. This second can needs a to= uch hole=0Ajust even with its rolled lip, so the touch hole is available ab= ove the edge of =0Athe bottom can. The touch hole is made with just the rig= ht sized nail and a =0Ahammer. All this very scientific stuff for 10 year o= ld's.=0A=0AYou drop a few crystals of carbide (for carbide miners lamps) in= to the bottom =0Acan with the water.The carbide water combination produces = acetylene gas. You =0Aplace the Rocket can into the launch can.You wait jus= t the right length of time, =0Aand this is the key to success, it is a time= vice gas production rate problem. =0AOr too rich or too lean problem. =0A= =0ALooking for best power.=0A=0AToo long before you light the mixture at th= e touch hole with a safety match, and =0Ayou get a miners lamp. Just a plum= e of acetylene burning. The gas has displaced =0Atoo much of the available = oxygen and only burns outside of the can where there =0Ais adequate oxygen = available. Too Rich.=0AOr. =0ANot long enough, and there is too little gas = to sustain a burn and the touch =0Ahole pops and blows out the match, or yo= u get the inner (rocket) can to hop out =0Awith just a fluffy sounding whum= p. Too Lean.=0A=0ABut if you become an advanced Merlin at NASA style rocket= ry, and wait just the =0Acorrect length of time, then the=C2=A0mixture is j= ust right, the rocket (inner can) =0Aleaves with an impressive (to 10 year = old's) Kaboom and a cloud of water spray.=C2=A0 =0AIdeal best power mixture= .=0A=0AThere may be competition among your followers to catch the rocket ca= n when it =0Areturns from its mission, but a savvy Merlin just observes les= t the rocket can =0Aland on a parked car or in somebody=E2=80=99s flower be= d. One must be ready to recover =0Athe launch can and retreat on ones bicyc= le in a direction opposite the actual =0Adirection to ones home. No need to= complicate the situation with lengthy =0Aconversations between the aggriev= ed home owners and your parents.=0A=C2=A0=0AI am forever grateful to Billy = Oakley's dad, Frank Oakley who apparently was =0Asome kind of genius, and f= or showing us how to do this kind of stuff.=0A=C2=A0=0AWhy yes I was an Ord= nance man in the Navy. How did you know?=0A=C2=A0=0A"Drawings are available= "=0A.=0ALynn E. Hanover --0-1608534088-1295743777=:29456 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Lynn,
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  Now this is a combustion = analogy even I can understand !!................From a former Navy&nbs= p;Avionics Tech............<:)
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Kelly Troy= er
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventu= ally)

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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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=0AFrom: "Lehanover@= aol.com" <Lehanover@aol.com>
= To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>= ;
Sent: Sat, January 22,= 2011 5:41:06 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Charge Air Pre-Heat

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In a message dated = 1/22/2011 2:21:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, keltro@att.net writes:
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Hope all you Flyer's (and hope to be flyer'= s) both NA and Turbo are following this thread ??..........Listen=
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when our  "Rotary Engine Guru" speaks !!...............T= his info will allow us to out-distance our backward
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Lycoming p= owered brethren...................<:)
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Kelly Troyer

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You may remember the ho= t rodder down the street or two blocks over who seemed to know so much abou= t car engines. Who seemed to have a fan club of urchins like yourself who s= tood by in wide eyed amazement at the sound of Glass packs shaking the grou= nd. He did seem to put a lot of engines into that old Mercury didn't he? =0A

Boys, she was running real strong just= before those pistons turned up in the oil pan.

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Best power mixture. =

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I did not understand the power of an explosion until the day we were= setting off our Carbide rockets in front of Billy Oakley's house on Waverl= y street. A Carbide rocket is a big juice can

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with about 2=E2=80=9D of water in it. Inverted into the first can = is a second can that is just a bit taller than the first so that about 1/2= =E2=80=9D inch of the can sticks up out of the first can. This second can n= eeds a touch hole

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just even with its = rolled lip, so the touch hole is available above the edge of the bottom can= . The touch hole is made with just the right sized nail and a hammer. All t= his very scientific stuff for 10 year old's.

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You drop a few crystals = of carbide (for carbide miners lamps) into the bottom can with the water.Th= e carbide water combination produces acetylene gas. You place the Rocket ca= n into the launch can.You wait just the right length of time, and this is t= he key to success, it is a time vice gas production rate problem. Or too ri= ch or too lean problem.

=0A

Looking for = best power.

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Too long before you light the mixture at the touch hole w= ith a safety match, and you get a miners lamp. Just a plume of acetylene bu= rning. The gas has displaced too much of the available oxygen and only burn= s outside of the can where there is adequate oxygen available. Too Rich.=0A

Or.

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Not long enough, and there is too little gas to sustain a burn and the = touch hole pops and blows out the match, or you get the inner (rocket) can = to hop out with just a fluffy sounding whump. Too Lean.

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=0A

But if you be= come an advanced Merlin at NASA style rocketry, and wait just the correct l= ength of time, then the mixture is just right, the rocket (inner can) = leaves with an impressive (to 10 year old's) Kaboom and a cloud of water sp= ray.  Ideal best power mixture.

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=

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There may be competition among y= our followers to catch the rocket can when it returns from its mission, but= a savvy Merlin just observes lest the rocket can land on a parked car or i= n somebody=E2=80=99s flower bed. One must be ready to recover the launch ca= n and retreat on ones bicycle in a direction opposite the actual direction = to ones home. No need to complicate the situation with lengthy conversation= s between the aggrieved home owners and your parents.

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I am forever = grateful to Billy Oakley's dad, Frank Oakley who apparently was some kind o= f genius, and for showing us how to do this kind of stuff.

=0A

 

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Why ye= s I was an Ordnance man in the Navy. How did you know?

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"Drawings ar= e available"

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.

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Lynn E. Hanover

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