Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #53593
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Apex seal update cont with pix of rotor andapexseals
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2011 08:40:44 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Chris,
 
A possible indicator of detonation - could be the rapid increase in temperature.  You don't say how quick, but from what I understand detonation results in very high chamber pressures and heat increases.  This may quickly (more so than normal combustion) raise temperatures to high level.  Also remember any increase in temps you see in via the coolant lags the temperatures inside/near the combustion chambers. 
 
As several have mentioned indications of detonation is flattened springs and damaged corners seals - all of which you seem to have.  I have over heated engines to the point of destroying the rubber corner seal plugs but have never flatten the apex seal springs.
 
Good Luck
 
Ed
 
 

Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 8:19 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Apex seal update cont with pix of rotor andapexseals

I am premixing.

 

Also, I am only using three lbs of boost.  I was under the impression that this low of boost should not be a problem.  I know there are many other possible causes and will be investigating. 

 

I may start by putting in a lower boost spring in the waste gate (1.5 lbs) but I am not really thinking this is the issue.  Perhaps timing, as I did play with it quite a bit before I sent my EC2 to Tracy for a check and update.  My higher power tests were quite short as the engine would get hot fast but never to any degree that I would have thought would be a problem.

 

I have an intercooler, however, without any airflow its usefulness during testing is next to nothing. Also, the intercooler ducting is somewhat minimum at this point.

 

I thought I would recognize detonation, as Lynn mentioned, but perhaps not.

 

I also read on the RX-7 site that the rear chamber is the one to usually fail, as mine seems to bare out.

 

Christopher Barber, JD.
Corporal; Patrol Division
Master Peace Officer
Badge 330
Bellaire Police Department
5100 Jessamine
Bellaire, Texas 77401
 
713-668-0487

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of Mark Steitle [msteitle@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 05:52
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Apex seal update cont with pix of rotor andapex seals

My first impression is they got overheated.  Each apex appears very dark, possibly due to heat.  Are you pre-mixing or using the injection pump.  

Mark

On Thu, Jan 13, 2011 at 8:52 PM, Chris Barber <cbarber@texasattorney.net> wrote:

...and finally, for now.

 

Thanks folks

 

Chris


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