X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm13-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.244] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with SMTP id 4668970 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 12:42:41 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.244; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.91.65] by nm13.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2011 17:42:08 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.50] by tm5.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2011 17:42:08 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1050.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 09 Jan 2011 17:42:08 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 999734.18924.bm@omp1050.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 15460 invoked by uid 60001); 9 Jan 2011 17:42:07 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1294594927; bh=iBKBwvxtazlZuoq+7ztNV5LdkGhceCkZqhV5cTaNCB4=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sFsTrWKheVmTGBe3Eid+iZYovj5x4amnradO/kOQMfgbqsn+I2ZuAcG0Kewkhp5UriQbys66v5+x5hQyC4eNwUGQB3StnFZX4L6UXH4/xnpSX53uEKe5B30rmUgB5qTeYOCf0PoIcJOfTzaaXGDb0UnstubAFitSL/5SRYqAum4= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=nfV7zGhJgzRJQudYXumpEipe8hDtOYXDJo/0Y9pnhcIE0wTcchsP2vKmoBmk8zEy6NV7CFkuzhWSuxtIDoYP4axLPXvBLZKUbXxoS78THvQoeQMvabmwEOKxCD0gS+9fXORmZsy0bJ9LhmKDDfUXXuoWX5eyCJh5V6cy/E0pXu8=; Message-ID: <829370.15195.qm@web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: Y.AsotQVM1mxQEUhjsXxZ2DWMgZj_QHdOLnTWxCeUJSZIl8 _ip01cdHUyKiiiZS9S43gPl_F2vqGFwa2XTc7TkZ5dbZleCw1PAbwgd7nw5P MHzfd30sMZ_zJLgRh2g_PuvtxbE.A8szHVp7vl2ydy6EmfmSv0oyNjli9dM7 EsefOD1NLHHWCgNdeUX6RhWH.BN8WvEzujwxQMilEpInVrhIFtwBRGXSC6rx plcsUR2YU00IjhJoAuJesXD6jPIoNjL6EuYkuaFO53b54ZvtUo9q9ph4rFO0 nDlSXyEiJ3czT Received: from [208.114.45.186] by web83902.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 09 Jan 2011 09:42:07 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 09:42:07 -0800 (PST) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: LS2 "Yukon" coil report To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-75492146-1294594927=:15195" --0-75492146-1294594927=:15195 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lynn,=0A=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0 Ask and yea shall receive !!.............<:).......= ...Here are links to info =0Aabout the GM coils in question and =0A=0Aa vid= eo of them being tested on a "O" scope............=0A=0A=0A=C2=A0http://www= .megamanual.com/seq/coils.htm#ls1=0A=0Ahttp://video.google.com/videoplay?do= cid=3D-6218245369765754251&hl=3Den#=0A=0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2"= (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backp= late/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________= __________________=0AFrom: "Lehanover@aol.com" =0ATo: Ro= tary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Sun, January = 9, 2011 9:27:51 AM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: LS2 "Yukon" coil report=0A=0A= In a message dated 1/9/2011 8:52:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, =0Amsteitle= @gmail.com writes:=0AMark;=0A>=C2=A0=0A>It=E2=80=99s great that this has ha= ve resolved the occasional misses for you. =C2=A0It=E2=80=99s very =0A>puzz= ling to me that my engine (and apparently many others) has always run smoot= h =0A>at any condition over about 1500 rpm with the same controller and the= D580 =0A>coils. Has this only been an issue with the P-port?=0A>Al=0ADo th= ese coils have circuitry installed so as to run on low voltage? Has anyone = =0Atested the various models on a scope to see the output? Peak voltage and= burn =0Atime?=0A=0AAnything used in a car or truck has had every extra pen= ny removed from it before =0Ayou see it. It will perform to the lowest poss= ible standard. A very high =0Apercentage will fail just outside the warrant= ee period. GM is really good at =0Athis. We raced against Ford Probe owned = by a drive line engineer for GM and were =0Atold us that he was nearly alon= e in his division, and that drive line vibration =0Aproblems were solved by= engineers in India. =0A=0A=0AThe instant GM figures out how to run an engi= ne with no ignition system you will =0Anever see one again. GM did not go o= ut of business because they produced too =0Ahigh a quality equipment.=C2=A0= =0A=0ALast year I sold my GMC 427 Crewcab towing vehicle for pennies at our= yard =0Asale.. It had its 3rd GM paint job blow off into the wind. And, it= left on a =0Arollback because the 4th set of Chinese brake lines had vanis= hed in a cloud of =0Arust dust. GM put on three sets and the American motor= cycle museum put on a set. =0ADID GM care about who I ran into when the bra= ke lines failed? Not at all. They =0Ahave two cost curves crossing on a gra= ph, and when losses from law suites get =0Ahigher than savings from Chinese= parts, then they will care. But not now that =0Aits Government motors. You= r coils were designed by electrical engineers, =0ALawyers, you,=C2=A0 the e= lected officials of the united states, and an army of =0Abrainless tree hug= gers. And still there is a misfire?=0ASeems impossible.=0A=0ABut I could be= completely wrong.=0A=0ALynn E. Hanover=C2=A0 --0-75492146-1294594927=:15195 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Lynn,
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  = Ask and yea shall receive !!.............<:)..........Here are links to= info about the GM coils in question and
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a video of them bein= g tested on a "O" scope............
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Kelly Troyer=
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventual= ly)

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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
= "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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=0AFrom: "Lehanover@ao= l.com" <Lehanover@aol.com>
To= : Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net><= BR>Sent: Sun, January 9, 20= 11 9:27:51 AM
Subject: [= FlyRotary] Re: LS2 "Yukon" coil report

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In a message dated= 1/9/2011 8:52:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, msteitle@gmail.com writes:=0A
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Mark;

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It=E2=80=99s great that this has have resolved = the occasional misses for you.  It=E2=80=99s very puzzling to me that = my engine (and apparently many others) has always run smooth at any conditi= on over about 1500 rpm with the same controller and = the D580 coils. Has this only been an issue with the P-port?<= /P>=0A

Al

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Do these coils have = circuitry installed so as to run on low voltage? Has anyone tested the vari= ous models on a scope to see the output? Peak voltage and burn time?
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Anything used in a car or truck has had every e= xtra penny removed from it before you see it. It will perform to the lowest= possible standard. A very high percentage will fail just outside the warra= ntee period. GM is really good at this. We raced against Ford Probe owned b= y a drive line engineer for GM and were told us that he was nearly alone in= his division, and that drive line vibration problems were solved by engine= ers in India.
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The instant GM figures out = how to run an engine with no ignition system you will never see one again. = GM did not go out of business because they produced too high a quality equi= pment. 
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Last year I sold my GMC 427 C= rewcab towing vehicle for pennies at our yard sale.. It had its 3rd GM pain= t job blow off into the wind. And, it left on a rollback because the 4th se= t of Chinese brake lines had vanished in a cloud of rust dust. GM put on th= ree sets and the American motorcycle museum put on a set. DID GM care about= who I ran into when the brake lines failed? Not at all. They have two cost= curves crossing on a graph, and when losses from law suites get higher tha= n savings from Chinese parts, then they will care. But not now that its Gov= ernment motors. Your coils were designed by electrical engineers, Lawyers, = you,  the elected officials of the united states, and an army of brain= less tree huggers. And still there is a misfire?
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Seems impossi= ble.
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=0A
But I could be completely wrong.=0A
 
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Lynn E. Hanover 
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