X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm15-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.208] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with SMTP id 4666573 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 20:21:14 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.208; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.91.67] by nm15.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2011 01:20:29 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.27] by tm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2011 01:20:29 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1027.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 07 Jan 2011 01:20:29 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 100409.1413.bm@omp1027.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 7233 invoked by uid 60001); 7 Jan 2011 01:20:29 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1294363228; bh=0BAvvsY1EiNSb3Y4t4eHZDQhaAMeo7/Tij0A1bDMhqs=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=jraykWUtMOKR8pBwiWql0eSkS9OcIRJgjBc0xNCTfk8ge4BxyeUAlB7t7maE14OiHmDZ0oV3Gdpw0kOTUaKDIRAIcwpuRI3DrOSZQlx3cTLu2B2VNR35yuGTKPOaQJmTOU6OmoEtYu6h5ba0yVzZW9ZvVMckD6giQMREp+ucYXY= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=aOzb3l95CINzaq1dLmGqp2TFa4C5gZo3wUX35b2Qkgq+ij+9J4NCQ/sde/Wo8aYUOxl6wCofuVdhIH+JGimLmLmjU0l6DEXbX/0jnlskpXvqV/6PiFsp7KP5IjTcQ3YtegtmZ3q3jDUUTfVFLGIZgduvuGku1yBJWdt7Sttu6pY=; Message-ID: <910119.7168.qm@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: HVBQ0_wVM1n6rgd01dlkjvFfeze.dMmo0YeDUORAH8PJglu QD2_MOmbUGcnfzYpJv7.oK6FkRhQOUBmSuUrmJMZwjMzgj0o.PYmpXfCeap3 38K3fXwSIpxStDYxLKxUhtdjyaiNNvk16jKgJ.tAQXf3UVwKvpF8gj.7zWqN t_Y6szgHPps5gvmI10ohwhu7PWKmt2fH10romQxe2SXCAgCzLkgK.ieAZI1h xbq2ps5qA5U.I5IgglsFxxrT24FF76xbwwNPf.5djtMMfFBQS9rXt9j3NzTT 3StB8p5DKyQ-- Received: from [208.114.41.2] by web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 06 Jan 2011 17:20:28 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2011 17:20:28 -0800 (PST) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: GM Coil Comparison To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1260381947-1294363228=:7168" --0-1260381947-1294363228=:7168 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Mark..........Will be very interested to hear=C2=A0if the new coils = help or =0Astop the miss !!........=0A=C2=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA J= D2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Ba= ckplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________= _____________________=0AFrom: Mark Steitle =0ATo: Rotar= y motors in aircraft =0ASent: Thu, January 6, = 2011 6:49:23 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: GM Coil Comparison=0A=0AKelly, = =0A=0AThe problem with the Renesis CAS was totally different. =C2=A0It woul= d run fine up to =0Aa certain rpm and then start stumbling and missing big = time. =C2=A0The current =0Aproblem is just an occasional mis-fire of one ro= tor face. =C2=A0=0A=0ACould I have some crosstalk in my wiring harness? =C2= =A0Sure, I guess anything is =0Apossible. =C2=A0I definitely wouldn't rule = it out at this point. =C2=A0=0A=0ANew coils came today. =C2=A0I hope to get= them installed over the weekend, but rain =0Ais predicted for both Saturda= y and Sunday, so a test flight may not be possible. =0A=C2=A0=0A=0AMark=0A= =0A=0AOn Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote:= =0A=0AMark,=0A>=C2=A0=C2=A0 As I recall you changed from the Renesis wheel/= sensor=C2=A0back to the stock=0A>20B CAS because of rpm problems..........D= id you also have the intermittant=0A>miss with the Renesis setup ??........= ...Could you possibly=C2=A0have some cross =0A>talk in your wiring harness = ??..........=C2=A0=0A>=C2=A0=0A>Kelly Troyer=0A>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventuall= y)=0A>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil= Manifold=0A>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A_____________= ___________________=0AFrom: Mark Steitle =0A>To: Rotary= motors in aircraft =0A>Sent: Wed, January 5, = 2011 8:32:59 AM=0A>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: GM Coil Comparison=0A>=0A>=0A>O= K Al, I'll tell you my reason for upgrading.=C2=A0 My engine has always had= an =0A>occasional intermittent misfire, usually on climbout but occasional= ly in =0A>cruise.=C2=A0 It happens infrequently just to one compression cyc= le and then it =0A>clears up.=C2=A0=C2=A0Obviously, this does not instill c= onfidence with pax, or myself =0A>either.=C2=A0 I've tried various solution= s, but the problem persists.=C2=A0 I'm hoping the =0A>hotter spark from the= 585 coils will cure this annoying problem.=C2=A0 I'll report =0A>back afte= r installing the new coils=C2=A0and test flying.=0A>=0A>Mark S.=0A>=0A>=0A>= On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:13 AM, Al Gietzen wrote:=0A>= =0A>So I=E2=80=99m still waiting for an answer to the question I posed a fe= w days back. Do =0A>we have any real evidence that the higher current spark= is needed in our =0A>application; or is going to result in any better perf= ormance?=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>Perhaps it=E2=80=99s obvious to someone, but I=E2= =80=99m wondering whether it comparable to =0A>>watts/channel on a stereo. = 50 per channel into good speakers is enough to drive =0A>>you out of your h= ome; but the salesperson will try to convince you that 1000 =0A>>watts must= be 10 times better. =C2=A0The D580 certainly makes a very good spark, =0A>= >which ignites the mixture just fine. =C2=A0Once the arc is made and the fu= el =0A>>molecules are burning, does 120 ma spark give you anything that a 6= 0 ma spark =0A>>doesn=E2=80=99t if the voltage is the same?=C2=A0 Presumabl= y it is just a matter of spark =0A>>duration.=0A>>=C2=A0=0A>>Save me the ne= ed to do some researchJ=0A>>=C2=A0Al=0A>=0A --0-1260381947-1294363228=:7168 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Thanks Mark..........Will be very interested to hea= r if the new coils help or stop the miss !!........
 
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Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_R= D1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONETICS"_TO4E= 50 Turbo

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=0AFrom:= Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.= net>
Sent: Thu, Janua= ry 6, 2011 6:49:23 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: GM Coil Comparison

Kelly, =0A

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The problem with the Renesis CAS was totally different.  = ;It would run fine up to a certain rpm and then start stumbling and missing= big time.  The current problem is just an occasional mis-fire of one = rotor face.  
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Could I have some crossta= lk in my wiring harness?  Sure, I guess anything is possible.  I = definitely wouldn't rule it out at this point.  
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New coils came today.  I hope to get them installed over the= weekend, but rain is predicted for both Saturday and Sunday, so a test fli= ght may not be possible.  
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Mark

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On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 6:42 PM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> w= rote:
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Mark,
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   As I recall you changed from t= he Renesis wheel/sensor back to the stock
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20B CAS because= of rpm problems..........Did you also have the intermittant
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m= iss with the Renesis setup ??...........Could you possibly have some c= ross
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talk in your wiring harness ??.......... 
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Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" = (Eventually)

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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONET= ICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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=0AFrom: Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.c= om>
To: Rotary mo= tors in aircraft <flyr= otary@lancaironline.net>
Sen= t: Wed, January 5, 2011 8:32:59 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: GM Coil Comparison

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OK Al, I'll tell you my reason for upgrading.  My engine = has always had an occasional intermittent misfire, usually on climbout but = occasionally in cruise.  It happens infrequently just to one compressi= on cycle and then it clears up.  Obviously, this does not instill= confidence with pax, or myself either.  I've tried various solutions,= but the problem persists.  I'm hoping the hotter spark from the 585 c= oils will cure this annoying problem.  I'll report back after installi= ng the new coils and test flying.
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Mar= k S.

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On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 12:13 = AM, Al Gietzen <ALVentur= es@cox.net> wrote:
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So I=E2=80=99m still wait= ing for an answer to the question I posed a few days back. Do we have any r= eal evidence that the higher current spark is needed in our application; or= is going to result in any better performance?

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Perhaps it=E2=80=99= s obvious to someone, but I=E2=80=99m wondering whether it comparable to wa= tts/channel on a stereo. 50 per channel into good speakers is enough to dri= ve you out of your home; but the salesperson will try to convince you that = 1000 watts must be 10 times better.  The D580 certainly makes a very g= ood spark, which ignites the mixture just fine.  Once the arc is made = and the fuel molecules are burning, does 120 ma spark give you anything tha= t a 60 ma spark doesn=E2=80=99t if the voltage is the same?  Presumably it is just a matter of spark duration.

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Sa= ve me the need to do some researchJ

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Al


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