X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from web83901.mail.sp1.yahoo.com ([69.147.92.97] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with SMTP id 4664812 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 05 Jan 2011 11:14:37 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.147.92.97; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: (qmail 87511 invoked by uid 60001); 5 Jan 2011 16:05:58 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1294243558; bh=FOCImy8Nso1vq10GiPVomdZr2o5ITIIR+07zvQbQpTM=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=vlznsVHL9MeS51q8ELt0fW3ut06JSbj84SumOCfjKDeqpA80RqYQWdv+RSzdm5XVCziMe8RfwtiJAMiNSavrymFCuqvq/l0Ka+wX9WUsSWQNRhOJKpO+470Uy1+u2OqzO/5SUDTXDQcZFMRz61qUUlU3XXL+jSB6ITAtJ5enCxI= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jeff,=0A=0AMight be a good idea to drain coolent to below the broken bolt a= nd perhaps =0Aput=C2=A0some=0Adegreaser (laquer thinner, etc) under light p= ressure=C2=A0 to clean the stub then dry =0Awith a=0Alittle heat from heat = gun to give the JB Weld a fighting chance for a good =0Abond...........=0A= =0AWhere is the fracture located (flush with hsg or further away)..........= .If =0Aflush with front=0Ahsg be extremely careful not to get=C2=A0so much = JB Weld in the intended joint as to =0Ahave=0Aexcess bond the stub to the h= sg as Bill stated..........=C2=A0=0A=C2=A0=C2=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DEL= TA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL= "_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______= _________________________=0AFrom: Bill Bradburry = =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Wed,= January 5, 2011 9:45:34 AM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Broken tension Bolt= =0A=0A=0AIf the pressure and gentle extraction doesn=E2=80=99t work, you co= uld try a SMALL amount =0Aof JB Weld on the end of the bolt head end and le= t it set 24 hours.=C2=A0 You don=E2=80=99t =0Awant to use enough JB Weld th= at the squeeze out would drip inside.=C2=A0 It has a =0Ashear strength of 1= 000 pounds.=C2=A0 It might hold well enough to remove that bolt.=C2=A0 =0AI= t still would not interfere with the drill and ezout method if you needed t= o =0Aresort to it.=0A=C2=A0=0ABill B=0A=C2=A0=0A=0A________________________= ________=0A=0AFrom:Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironlin= e.net] On Behalf Of =0AJeff Whaley=0ASent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:3= 0 AM=0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Broken tens= ion Bolt=0A=C2=A0=0AHi Kelly, yeah I read Tracy=E2=80=99s squawk =E2=80=A6 = =C2=A0I=E2=80=99m hoping the pressure and gentle =0Aextraction method will = work for me as well, but if not I=E2=80=99ll have to resort to =0Athe drill= and easy-out method =E2=80=A6 anything but tear down the engine.=C2=A0 I s= ure hope =0Areplacing the rear seal will solve my oil leak =E2=80=A6 =C2=A0= =0AJeff=0A=C2=A0=0AFrom: Kelly Troyer =0ASubject: Re: Brok= en tension Bolt =0ADate: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 06:40:20 -0800 (PST) =0ATo: Rotary= motors in aircraft =0A=C2=A0=0AJeff,=0A=C2=A0= =C2=A0 Tracy Was lucky enough that after removing the sealing washer from h= is broken =0Abolt that =0A=0Athere was enough friction at the fracture=C2= =A0 to allow the broken=C2=A0stub to be turned =0Aout by holding=0Apressure= on the bolt head and gently turning the stub out............You might =0At= ry that............=0A=C2=A0=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2"(Eventually)= =0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Mani= fold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0AFrom:Jeff Whaley =0ASent: Wednesday, Ja= nuary 05, 2011 8:19 AM=0ATo: ' Rotary motors in aircraft '=0ASubject: RE: B= roken tension Bolt=0A=C2=A0=0AOkay, thanks Finn; getting the shavings extra= cted with grease, or a magnet =0Ashould work.=0ASo, based on your comments = about the tension bolts and sealing washers having =0Anothing to do with oi= l, I have to assume that my rear oil seal is the source of =0Athe leak.=0AW= ith the re-drive, ring gear, etc already off the engine I=E2=80=99ll go ahe= ad and =0Areplace the rear seal.=0AThanks =E2=80=A6=C2=A0=C2=A0 Jeff =0A=C2= =A0=0AFrom:Finn Lassen [mailto:finn.lassen@verizon.net] =0ASent: Tuesday, J= anuary 04, 2011 8:43 PM=0ASubject: Re: [FlyRotary] FW: RE: Broken tension B= olt=0A=C2=A0=0ANo oil contact with the bolts.=0A=0AThe reason for the rubbe= r washers is that there are no o-rings or sealant =0Abetween the coolant ga= lleries and the bolt holes, so yes, there could be some =0Aseep of coolant = into the bolt holes. But I doubt there will be any flow that can =0Acarry s= havings from the bolt hole to the coolant. The grease trick should be =0Amo= re than adequate.=0A=0AFinn=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A__________ Information from ESET = NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature =0Adatabase 5762 (20110105) ___= _______=0A=0AThe message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.=0A=0Ahttp://w= ww.eset.com=0A=0AThis message, and the documents attached hereto, is intend= ed only for the =0Aaddressee and may contain privileged or confidential inf= ormation. Any =0Aunauthorized disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you hav= e received this =0Amessage in error, please notify us immediately so that w= e may correct our =0Ainternal records. Please then delete the original mess= age. Thank you. --0-598759254-1294243557=:48182 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Jeff,
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Might be a g= ood idea to drain coolent to below the broken bolt and perhaps put som= e
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degreaser (laquer thinner, etc) under light pressure  t= o clean the stub then dry with a
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little heat from heat gun to = give the JB Weld a fighting chance for a good bond...........
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Where is the fracture located (flush with hsg or furthe= r away)...........If flush with front
=0A
hsg be extremely careful= not to get so much JB Weld in the intended joint as to have
=0A<= DIV>excess bond the stub to the hsg as Bill stated.......... 
=0A=
  
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Kelly Troyer
"DYKE D= ELTA JD2" (Eventually)

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"13B = ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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=0AFrom: Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net><= BR>To: Rotary motors in air= craft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wed, January 5, 2011 9:45:34 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Broken tension B= olt

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If the= pressure and gentle extraction doesn=E2=80=99t work, you could try a SMALL= amount of JB Weld on the end of the bolt head end and let it set 24 hours.=   You don=E2=80=99t want to use enough JB Weld that the squeeze out wo= uld drip inside.  It has a shear strength of 1000 pounds.  It mig= ht hold well enough to remove that bolt.  It still would not interfere= with the drill and ezout method if you needed to resort to it.

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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.= net] On Behalf Of Jeff Whal= ey
Sent: Wednesday, Janu= ary 05, 2011 10:30 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject= : [FlyRotary] Re: Broken tension Bolt

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Hi Kelly, yeah I read Tracy=E2=80=99s squawk =E2=80=A6 &nb= sp;I=E2=80=99m hoping the pressure and gentle extraction method will work f= or me as well, but if not I=E2=80=99ll have to resort to the drill and easy= -out method =E2=80=A6 anything but tear down the engine.  I sure hope = replacing the rear seal will solve my oil leak =E2=80=A6  

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Jeff

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From:

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Re: Broken tension Bo= lt

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Date:

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Wed, 5 Jan 2011 06:40:20 -0800 (PST)=

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To:

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Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

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Jeff,

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   Tracy Was lucky enough that after re= moving the sealing washer from his broken bolt that

=0Athere was enou= gh friction at the fracture  to allow the broken stub to be turne= d out by holding

=0A

pressure on the bolt head and gently turning the st= ub out............You might try that............

=0A

 

=0A

Kelly= Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
= "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

=0A=

"TURBONETICS"= _TO4E50 Turbo

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From: Jeff Whaley
S= ent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:19 AM
To: ' Rotary motors in aircraft '
Subject: RE: Broken tension Bolt

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 =0A

Okay, thanks Finn; getting the = shavings extracted with grease, or a magnet should work.

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So, based on your comments about= the tension bolts and sealing washers having nothing to do with oil, I hav= e to assume that my rear oil seal is the source of the leak.<= /P>=0A

With the re-drive, ring gear,= etc already off the engine I=E2=80=99ll go ahead and replace the rear seal= .

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Thanks =E2=80= =A6   Jeff

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From: Finn Lassen [mailto:finn.lassen@verizon.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 20= 11 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: = [FlyRotary] FW: RE: Broken tension Bolt

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No oil contact with the bolts.

The reason f= or the rubber washers is that there are no o-rings or sealant between the c= oolant galleries and the bolt holes, so yes, there could be some seep of co= olant into the bolt holes. But I doubt there will be any flow that can carr= y shavings from the bolt hole to the coolant. The grease trick should be mo= re than adequate.

Finn

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