X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm15.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.85] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with SMTP id 4656915 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 15:09:28 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.85; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.91.69] by nm15.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2010 20:08:54 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.52] by tm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2010 20:08:54 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1052.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2010 20:08:54 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 482157.21084.bm@omp1052.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 18810 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2010 20:08:54 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1293566934; bh=rSNtHJLxcW9UiY0WMYg9rXtCKsbFXTu5IiVJQOEomMw=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=Bm1j3Hyg85JOF1arBoqMZtXEhD5sgYpi/sr6SUBGIOV8eQU5IUMWJepYuVoZsJIOEEPVsRx7tVeidHQ2WcvG9eaPFLOGKHUGfrBcr4vYJDn8W9ZRjFzi5OpHSvTDJqzv/5KpdFctqsGsBeFRK8y9emv82sLHB05j3Bg+vlD0j8Y= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=TZlXwnXIoXPDDU7Thowy1CZsc/dFaFg3uF50KMLVR+fHkoGA1BXDBBEJ+UkdBoRv5Vedsmx7jqAHshfxBo9b1vriBSkJ0rxe5k3J8vMw256AcvbC8GbuOWXowcDT3KOGXAoSOdrNwOvTUcxi9ypizH9K5RHroFdG6fy26SwEuVo=; Message-ID: <329415.18650.qm@web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: 8a0j9rYVM1mNBgl6Vh3P0wGe_uhJv.3_xQnFHX_95sm.3X9 xmgUUvW_EZkIskRWPmjNrMJJ09LVovYiDcrDt4RIfxuWNRRIR4IEW6ufq3rd cbB6fi_k74KcbayiY7JjjCx12xgDbFofnJ0kxEwQ9HFR0ijPWVLVojUcgBaY KMNoZcwWC8_WxxuBK5NVm9Y5sxCoFdyCBVSZnbexTh3pILTcbyFckS5N2mj8 rrsKpT9Kk1Np_ix1E6Kb4j02z6_jCIEolWxEVYzJALnhsmO2DS1luzbWoZlX 3XzaI6IPdFQ-- Received: from [208.114.43.63] by web83915.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:08:53 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 12:08:53 -0800 (PST) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Mazmart Renesis Waterpump To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-239772122-1293566933=:18650" --0-239772122-1293566933=:18650 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David,=0A=A0=A0=A0 =A0Be advised that Mark is using Renesis pulleys that ut= ilize a serpentine =0Abelt =0A=0A(not the back side)..............Mark will= have to=A0advise which pulleys he uses =0Abut=0Afrom the previous post and= photo I believe he unitizes an aftermarket aluminum=0Awaterpump pulley but= I have not seen his eccentric shaft pulley...........=0A=A0=0AKelly Troyer= =0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM= 2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: David Moyer =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent= : Tue, December 28, 2010 1:44:13 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Mazmart = Renesis Waterpump=0A=0AKelly,=0A=0AThanks very much again for your input. I= will double check with Bulent, but I =0Athink you are right. It seems to b= e a worth while conversion to do. Not =0Ainterested in going to the lengths= of the serpentine conversion.=0A=0ADavid Moyer Remcon Associates, LLC Te= l: 281-360-2158 Fax: 281-360-2168 Cell: =0A281-795-2712=0AOn 12/28/2010 1= :27 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: =0ADavid=A0, Mark and Group,=0A>=0A>=A0=A0=A0= =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 The other=A0other pump=A0mentioned in the "Mazmart= " site is for=A0the =0A>93-95 13BREW if =0A>=0A>using the stock 13BREW wate= rpump housing............This pump would work but be =0A>aware =0A>=0A>it i= s a "Reverse Rotation" pump driven=A0from the backside (flat side)=A0of the= =0A>serpentine=A0belt=0A>and in the stock configuration has several periph= eral parts to drive=A0 and =0A>perhaps even an=0A>idler wheel which severel= y complicates your drive system......... .....David I =0A>am reasonably=A0= =0A>sure your Bulent=A0"Cosmo" 13B has the stock pump and will best lend it= self to the =0A>Renesis=0A>pump conversion.............FWIW=0A>=0A>=A0 =0A>= =0A>Kelly Troyer=0A>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine= =0A>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>"TURBONETICS"= _TO4E50 Turbo=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A________________________________=0AFrom= : David Moyer =0A>To: Rotary motors in aircraft =0A>Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 7:52:01 AM=0A>Subj= ect: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Mazmart Renesis Waterpump=0A>=0A>=0A>Mark, good su= ggestion. I had seen that they had the pump for two different =0A>engines, = but my little detailed knowledge of the interchangeability of parts =0A>bet= ween the different engines left me with questions.=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>Thank you.= The more I learn, the more I realize how much I still have to learn.=0A>= =0A>=0A>--=A0=0A>David Moyer=0A>Remcon Associates, LLC=0A>Tel: 281-360-2158= =0A>Fax: 281-360-2168=0A>Cell: 281-795-2712=0A>=0A>On Dec 28, 2010, at 7:20= AM, Mark Steitle wrote:=0A>=0A>=0A>David,=A0 =0A>>=0A= >>=0A>>Mazmart lists two different engines for their water pump. =A0My gues= s is that one =0A>>of these will fit your engine. =A0If not, you will have = to do the RX-8 pump mod as =0A>>Kelly described. =A0I suggest a call to be = sure it will fit before placing your =0A>>order.=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Mark=A0=0A>>= =0A>>=0A>>On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Kelly Troyer wr= ote:=0A>>=0A>>David,=0A>>>=A0=A0 If you followed the string of posts recent= ly=A0they=A0 gave general info on =0A>>>adapting the Renesis pump to the = =0A>>>=0A>>>eariler 13B rotarys.........Mark Steitle was the first to retro= fit it to his =0A>>>Cosmo 20B/ Lancair ES..........There=0A>>>was a lot of = chatter (a lot from me) concerning how to do it...........Since =0A>>>then = Mark has provided a photo=0A>>>and some general instructions how he did it.= ..............The=A0"Cosy Girrrls" are =0A>>>currently in process adding=0A= >>>the Renesis pump to their 93-95 13BREW engine................Chrissi sai= d they =0A>>>would take photos for our=0A>>>group when available...........= ..Basically you purchase a 2004-08 Renesis front =0A>>>engine cover which h= as the =0A>>>=0A>>>waterpump hsg built into it................Next you band= saw the waterpump hsg =0A>>>from the rest=A0of the cover=A0and=0A>>>after a= bit of grinding, fileing, etc you clean up all the rough sharp edges and = =0A>>>make it presentable enough=0A>>>to mount on your engine..............= ...At this point it looks like all=A0 but one =0A>>>of the pump hsg mount h= oles has=A0=0A>>>matching studs on the Cosmo 20B=A0(Mark helicoiled that on= e and bolted =0A>>>it)..............The Cosmo 13B and=0A>>>93-95 13BREW hav= e the same mismatch plus one other.............As you face the =0A>>>front = of the engine the=0A>>>far left hand stud is too low but both these engines= have a machined pad just =0A>>>above this stud that is not=0A>>>drilled an= d threaded...............The reason being the stock Cosmo 20B pump is =0A>>= >slightly larger in diameter=0A>>>and these engines use that pad but it is = not threaded on the Cosmo 13B and 93-95 =0A>>>13BREW.............=0A>>>=0A>= >>=A0 That is the way I understand the situation at this point.......Whatev= er I have =0A>>>wrong about this explanation=0A>>>I am going to have to dep= end on Mark and the "Cosy Girrls" to correct me as I =0A>>>have only done= =A0 a quick=0A>>>and dirty fit on one of my 86-91 13B front=A0side housings= ...........I am 55 miles =0A>>>from my hangar and my day=0A>>>job (caretake= r for mother) did not allow me extended time to check all this =0A>>>out...= ......I have a Cosmo 13B=0A>>>but the front cover is not removed and I lack= ed the time the day I =0A>>>did=A0this............That part was just eyebal= l=0A>>>measured.........The Renesis pump can probably be adapted to the 86-= 91 13B but =0A>>>will involve some=A0more=0A>>>work as two studs do not mat= ch and might compromise pump integrity and rigidity =0A>>>for belt tension = loads.=0A>>>=0A>>>=A0 David the "Mazmart" pump is a stock pump with their p= roprietary impeller =0A>>>installed on it...........Photos=0A>>>of 20B and = 13BREW front hsgs attached...=0A>>>=0A>>>=A0 Please Jump in here Mark and C= hrissi give us the straight info and correct =0A>>>anything I have wrong !!= .........=0A>>>=A0=A0=0A>>>Kelly Troyer=0A>>>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)= =0A>>>"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A>>>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>>>"MISTRAL"_Backplate= /Oil Manifold=0A>>>"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>= =0A________________________________=0AFrom: David Moyer =0A>>>=0A>>>To: Rotary motors in aircraft = =0A>>>Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 11:45:27 AM=0A>>>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re= : Mazmart Renesis Waterpump=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>Very nice to get just want you= want for Christmas. I got a few myself for my =0A>>>Cozy. Wondering if tha= t will fit my Cosmo engine. Are the pumps the same? Sure =0A>>>looks much m= ore substantial and should provide much better flow.=0A>>>=0A>>>David Moyer= =0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>>>--=0A>>>Homepage: =A0http://www.flyrotary.com/=0A>>>Archi= ve and UnSub: =A0 =0A>http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List= .html=0A>>>=0A>>>=0A>> --0-239772122-1293566933=:18650 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
=0A
David,
=0A
     Be adv= ised that Mark is using Renesis pulleys that utilize a serpentine belt =0A
(not the back side)..............Mark will have to advise wh= ich pulleys he uses but
=0A
from the previous post and photo I bel= ieve he unitizes an aftermarket aluminum
=0A
waterpump pulley but = I have not seen his eccentric shaft pulley...........
 
=0A

= Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD= 1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

=0A

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E5= 0 Turbo

=0A

=0A

=0A
=0A
=0AFrom: = David Moyer <davidm@remconinc.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.= net>
Sent: Tue, Decem= ber 28, 2010 1:44:13 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Mazmart Renesis Waterpump

Kelly,=

Thanks very much again for your input. I will double check with Bul= ent, but I think you are right. It seems to be a worth while conversion to = do. Not interested in going to the lengths of the serpentine conversion.
David Moyer  Remcon Associates, LLC  Tel: 281-3=
60-2158  Fax: 281-360-2168  Cell: 281-795-2712

On 12/28/2010 1:27 = PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: =0A
=0A
=0A
David ,= Mark and Group,
=0A
 
=0A
    &= nbsp;       The other other pump me= ntioned in the "Mazmart" site is for the 93-95 13BREW if
=0Ausing the stock 13BREW waterpump housing............This pump would work b= ut be aware
=0A
it is a "Reverse Rotation" pump driven from = the backside (flat side) of the serpentine belt
=0A
and = in the stock configuration has several peripheral parts to drive  and = perhaps even an
=0A
idler wheel which severely complicates your dr= ive system......... .....David I am reasonably 
=0A
sure your= Bulent "Cosmo" 13B has the stock pump and will best lend itself to th= e Renesis
=0A
pump conversion.............FWIW
=0A
 =
=0A
 
=0A
 
=0A
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTR= AL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

=0A

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

=0A
<= BR>
=0A

=0A
=0A
= =0AFrom: David Moyer <davidm@remc= oninc.com>
To: Ro= tary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
= Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 7= :52:01 AM
Subject: [FlyR= otary] Re: Fw: Mazmart Renesis Waterpump

=0A
Mark, good s= uggestion. I had seen that they had the pump for two different engines, but= my little detailed knowledge of the interchangeability of parts between th= e different engines left me with questions. 
=0A

= =0A
Thank you. The more I learn, the more I realize how much I still ha= ve to learn.

=0A
-- 
=0A
David Moyer
=0A
= Remcon Associates, LLC
=0A
Tel: 281-360-2158
=0A
Fax: 281= -360-2168
=0A
Cell: 281-795-2712
=0A

On Dec 28,= 2010, at 7:20 AM, Mark Steitle <msteitl= e@gmail.com> wrote:

=0A
=0ADavid,  =0A

=0A
Mazmart lists two different engine= s for their water pump.  My guess is that one of these will fit your e= ngine.  If not, you will have to do the RX-8 pump mod as Kelly describ= ed.  I suggest a call to be sure it will fit before placing your order= .
=0A

=0A
Mark 

=0A
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
David,
=0A=
= =0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
=0A
   If you followed the st= ring of posts recently they  gave general info on adapting the Re= nesis pump to the
=0A
eariler 13B rotarys.........Mark Steitle wa= s the first to retrofit it to his Cosmo 20B/ Lancair ES..........There=0A
was a lot of chatter (a lot from me) concerning how to do it......= .....Since then Mark has provided a photo
=0A
and some general ins= tructions how he did it...............The "Cosy Girrrls" are currently= in process adding
=0A
the Renesis pump to their 93-95 13BREW engi= ne................Chrissi said they would take photos for our
=0A
= group when available.............Basically you purchase a 2004-08 Renesis f= ront engine cover which has the
=0A
waterpump hsg built into it..= ..............Next you bandsaw the waterpump hsg from the rest of the = cover and
=0A
after a bit of grinding, fileing, etc you clean= up all the rough sharp edges and make it presentable enough
=0A
t= o mount on your engine.................At this point it looks like all = ; but one of the pump hsg mount holes has 
=0A
matching studs= on the Cosmo 20B (Mark helicoiled that one and bolted it)............= ..The Cosmo 13B and
=0A
93-95 13BREW have the same mismatch plus o= ne other.............As you face the front of the engine the
=0A
f= ar left hand stud is too low but both these engines have a machined pad jus= t above this stud that is not
=0A
drilled and threaded............= ...The reason being the stock Cosmo 20B pump is slightly larger in diameter=
=0A
and these engines use that pad but it is not threaded on the = Cosmo 13B and 93-95 13BREW.............
=0A
 
=0A
&n= bsp; That is the way I understand the situation at this point.......Whateve= r I have wrong about this explanation
=0A
I am going to have to de= pend on Mark and the "Cosy Girrls" to correct me as I have only done  = a quick
=0A
and dirty fit on one of my 86-91 13B front side h= ousings...........I am 55 miles from my hangar and my day
=0A
job = (caretaker for mother) did not allow me extended time to check all this out= .........I have a Cosmo 13B
=0A
but the front cover is not removed= and I lacked the time the day I did this............That part was jus= t eyeball
=0A
measured.........The Renesis pump can probably be ad= apted to the 86-91 13B but will involve some more
=0A
work as= two studs do not match and might compromise pump integrity and rigidity fo= r belt tension loads.
=0A
 
=0A
  David the "Ma= zmart" pump is a stock pump with their proprietary impeller installed on it= ...........Photos
=0A
of 20B and 13BREW front hsgs attached...=0A
 
=0A
  Please Jump in here Mark and Chrissi g= ive us the straight info and correct anything I have wrong !!.........=0A
=0A
  
=0A

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)<= /STRONG>

=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_B= ackplate/Oil Manifold

=0A

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

=0A

=0A

=0A
=0A
= =0AFrom: David Moyer <davidm@remconinc.com> =0A

To: Rotary motor= s in aircraft <flyrota= ry@lancaironline.net>
= Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 11:45:27 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mazmart Renesis Waterp= ump
=0A

Very nice to get just want you want fo= r Christmas. I got a few myself for my Cozy. Wondering if that will fit my = Cosmo engine. Are the pumps the same? Sure looks much more substantial and = should provide much better flow.

David Moyer


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