X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm22-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.222] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with SMTP id 4656865 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 14:27:41 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.222; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.91.62] by nm22.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2010 19:27:06 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.57] by tm2.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2010 19:27:06 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1057.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Dec 2010 19:27:06 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 534909.43140.bm@omp1057.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 63429 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Dec 2010 19:27:06 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1293564426; bh=CNlLf7vWEEmdE5cjPbSb1uMt/2IejdNajPvv3SQyT54=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=okreKB7y0cT+xmhJrnIXGq5FauRwNuF/Z2b7lWIePiD4gXQbKN2XIFBBocznGqDG3uwJEm1oUgA3Mb32q0nsPvHPIjDp8/HVxsqwH1PnA3YmkQd/iqIMWI/XR7GFuZ635aN1goQAAM2babiO1Wl6A6dp2320yvvuHnX/bVeCmJU= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=BgsAEtcJCoBbUUMWSaa/AkJ8B9854/kJtqd0tvDaMu/lmn7xT+JzBHQ+ndwg5Nt0nz4Coi3EVk/B+DhRV7yeE9Rj/J5zBZC/kl9P8U1tzKHnui9D+H/2Pj/eSt+qB/oFku+agLSq3uhdAIRGjDP0JdjS2NKi0yhWdsRqy9FUeRg=; Message-ID: <268438.44579.qm@web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: CsLzmh4VM1kiymyKEgPbMO98kgYlq760QDF0pVL9BEzysI5 .AerZSpLJNRzrMKnKkQXI.cLxUbYVeSasre.zBztzeArVbQIAW.1awRM..4B 4O93_hbTM02Zn8RlUxqqy3acSw5bpccWwSsMpjrP9iKCPnGcWNmAa5yLU3Gi idN3R.yDKLDe7n4c.H33NsDHrqLzFR3MiDiMtqqWXTIJfpMA5igkz7E5vnDz y3OnGbZLrz0qb5veB1mjs_Z_baThr66fQEdS0wMxBcv56B7YASIGBlBFzvg7 mqrVt6hgFVg-- Received: from [208.114.43.63] by web83916.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:27:06 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 11:27:06 -0800 (PST) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Mazmart Renesis Waterpump To: Rotary motors in aircraft Cc: CozyGirrrl@aol.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1718549107-1293564426=:44579" --0-1718549107-1293564426=:44579 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable David=A0, Mark and Group,=0A=0A=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 The other= =A0other pump=A0mentioned in the "Mazmart" site is for=A0the =0A93-95 13BRE= W if =0A=0Ausing the stock 13BREW waterpump housing............This pump wo= uld work but be =0Aaware =0A=0Ait is a "Reverse Rotation" pump driven=A0fro= m the backside (flat side)=A0of the =0Aserpentine=A0belt=0Aand in the stock= configuration has several peripheral parts to drive=A0 and =0Aperhaps even= an=0Aidler wheel which severely complicates your drive system......... ...= ..David I =0Aam reasonably=A0=0Asure your Bulent=A0"Cosmo" 13B has the stoc= k pump and will best lend itself to the =0ARenesis=0Apump conversion.......= ......FWIW=0A=0A=A0 =0A=0AKelly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"1= 3B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold= =0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_______________________________= _=0AFrom: David Moyer =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraf= t =0ASent: Tue, December 28, 2010 7:52:01 AM= =0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Mazmart Renesis Waterpump=0A=0A=0AMark, goo= d suggestion. I had seen that they had the pump for two different =0Aengine= s, but my little detailed knowledge of the interchangeability of parts =0Ab= etween the different engines left me with questions.=A0=0A=0AThank you. The= more I learn, the more I realize how much I still have to learn.=0A=0A=0A-= -=A0=0ADavid Moyer=0ARemcon Associates, LLC=0ATel: 281-360-2158=0AFax: 281-= 360-2168=0ACell: 281-795-2712=0A=0AOn Dec 28, 2010, at 7:20 AM, Mark Steitl= e wrote:=0A=0A=0ADavid,=A0 =0A>=0A>=0A>Mazmart lists t= wo different engines for their water pump. =A0My guess is that one =0A>of t= hese will fit your engine. =A0If not, you will have to do the RX-8 pump mod= as =0A>Kelly described. =A0I suggest a call to be sure it will fit before = placing your =0A>order.=0A>=0A>=0A>Mark=A0=0A>=0A>=0A>On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 = at 4:32 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote:=0A>=0A>David,=0A>>=A0=A0 I= f you followed the string of posts recently=A0they=A0 gave general info on = =0A>>adapting the Renesis pump to the =0A>>=0A>>eariler 13B rotarys........= .Mark Steitle was the first to retrofit it to his =0A>>Cosmo 20B/ Lancair E= S..........There=0A>>was a lot of chatter (a lot from me) concerning how to= do it...........Since =0A>>then Mark has provided a photo=0A>>and some gen= eral instructions how he did it...............The=A0"Cosy Girrrls" are =0A>= >currently in process adding=0A>>the Renesis pump to their 93-95 13BREW eng= ine................Chrissi said they =0A>>would take photos for our=0A>>gro= up when available.............Basically you purchase a 2004-08 Renesis fron= t =0A>>engine cover which has the =0A>>=0A>>waterpump hsg built into it....= ............Next you bandsaw the waterpump hsg =0A>>from the rest=A0of the = cover=A0and=0A>>after a bit of grinding, fileing, etc you clean up all the = rough sharp edges and =0A>>make it presentable enough=0A>>to mount on your = engine.................At this point it looks like all=A0 but one =0A>>of t= he pump hsg mount holes has=A0=0A>>matching studs on the Cosmo 20B=A0(Mark = helicoiled that one and bolted =0A>>it)..............The Cosmo 13B and=0A>>= 93-95 13BREW have the same mismatch plus one other.............As you face = the =0A>>front of the engine the=0A>>far left hand stud is too low but both= these engines have a machined pad just =0A>>above this stud that is not=0A= >>drilled and threaded...............The reason being the stock Cosmo 20B p= ump is =0A>>slightly larger in diameter=0A>>and these engines use that pad = but it is not threaded on the Cosmo 13B and 93-95 =0A>>13BREW.............= =0A>>=0A>>=A0 That is the way I understand the situation at this point.....= ..Whatever I have =0A>>wrong about this explanation=0A>>I am going to have = to depend on Mark and the "Cosy Girrls" to correct me as I =0A>>have only d= one=A0 a quick=0A>>and dirty fit on one of my 86-91 13B front=A0side housin= gs...........I am 55 miles =0A>>from my hangar and my day=0A>>job (caretake= r for mother) did not allow me extended time to check all this =0A>>out....= .....I have a Cosmo 13B=0A>>but the front cover is not removed and I lacked= the time the day I =0A>>did=A0this............That part was just eyeball= =0A>>measured.........The Renesis pump can probably be adapted to the 86-91= 13B but =0A>>will involve some=A0more=0A>>work as two studs do not match a= nd might compromise pump integrity and rigidity =0A>>for belt tension loads= .=0A>>=0A>>=A0 David the "Mazmart" pump is a stock pump with their propriet= ary impeller =0A>>installed on it...........Photos=0A>>of 20B and 13BREW fr= ont hsgs attached...=0A>>=0A>>=A0 Please Jump in here Mark and Chrissi give= us the straight info and correct =0A>>anything I have wrong !!.........=0A= >>=A0=A0=0A>>Kelly Troyer=0A>>"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A>>"13B ROTARY= "_ Engine=0A>>"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2=0A>>"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A>>"= TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A______________________= __________=0AFrom: David Moyer =0A>>=0A>>To: Rotary = motors in aircraft =0A>>Sent: Mon, December 27= , 2010 11:45:27 AM=0A>>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mazmart Renesis Waterpump= =0A>>=0A>>=0A>>Very nice to get just want you want for Christmas. I got a f= ew myself for my =0A>>Cozy. Wondering if that will fit my Cosmo engine. Are= the pumps the same? Sure =0A>>looks much more substantial and should provi= de much better flow.=0A>>=0A>>David Moyer=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>--=0A>>Homepage: = =A0http://www.flyrotary.com/=0A>>Archive and UnSub: =A0 =0Ahttp://mail.lanc= aironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html=0A>>=0A>>=0A> --0-1718549107-1293564426=:44579 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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David , Mark and Group,
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          &nbs= p; The other other pump mentioned in the "Mazmart" site is for&nb= sp;the 93-95 13BREW if
=0A
using the stock 13BREW waterpump housi= ng............This pump would work but be aware
=0A
it is a "Reve= rse Rotation" pump driven from the backside (flat side) of the se= rpentine belt
=0A
and in the stock configuration has several = peripheral parts to drive  and perhaps even an
=0A
idler whee= l which severely complicates your drive system......... .....David I am rea= sonably 
=0A
sure your Bulent "Cosmo" 13B has the stock = pump and will best lend itself to the Renesis
=0A
pump conversion.= ............FWIW
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=0A
&nbs= p;
=0A
Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)
=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ En= gine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold

=0A

"TU= RBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

=0A

=0A

=0A
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=0A= From: David Moyer <davidm@remconinc.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrota= ry@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tue, December 28, 2010 7:52:01 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Mazmart Renesis Waterpump
=
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Mark, good suggestion. I had seen that they had the pump= for two different engines, but my little detailed knowledge of the interch= angeability of parts between the different engines left me with questions.&= nbsp;
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=0A
Thank you. The more I learn, the more = I realize how much I still have to learn.

=0A
-- 
=0A<= DIV>David Moyer
=0A
Remcon Associates, LLC
=0A
Tel: 281-3= 60-2158
=0A
Fax: 281-360-2168
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Cell: 281-795-2712
=0A

On Dec 28, 2010, at 7:20 AM, Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com> wrote:

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David,  =0A

=0A
Mazmart lists two different engines for their water pump.  My= guess is that one of these will fit your engine.  If not, you will ha= ve to do the RX-8 pump mod as Kelly described.  I suggest a call to be= sure it will fit before placing your order.
=0A

=0AMark 

=0A
On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 4:32= PM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net> wrote:
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David,
=0A=0A=
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=0A
   If you followed the strin= g of posts recently they  gave general info on adapting the Renes= is pump to the
=0A
eariler 13B rotarys.........Mark Steitle was t= he first to retrofit it to his Cosmo 20B/ Lancair ES..........There
= =0A
was a lot of chatter (a lot from me) concerning how to do it.......= ....Since then Mark has provided a photo
=0A
and some general inst= ructions how he did it...............The "Cosy Girrrls" are currently = in process adding
=0A
the Renesis pump to their 93-95 13BREW engin= e................Chrissi said they would take photos for our
=0A
g= roup when available.............Basically you purchase a 2004-08 Renesis fr= ont engine cover which has the
=0A
waterpump hsg built into it...= .............Next you bandsaw the waterpump hsg from the rest of the c= over and
=0A
after a bit of grinding, fileing, etc you clean = up all the rough sharp edges and make it presentable enough
=0A
to= mount on your engine.................At this point it looks like all = but one of the pump hsg mount holes has 
=0A
matching studs = on the Cosmo 20B (Mark helicoiled that one and bolted it).............= .The Cosmo 13B and
=0A
93-95 13BREW have the same mismatch plus on= e other.............As you face the front of the engine the
=0A
fa= r left hand stud is too low but both these engines have a machined pad just= above this stud that is not
=0A
drilled and threaded.............= ..The reason being the stock Cosmo 20B pump is slightly larger in diameter<= /DIV>=0A
and these engines use that pad but it is not threaded on the C= osmo 13B and 93-95 13BREW.............
=0A
 
=0A
&nb= sp; That is the way I understand the situation at this point.......Whatever= I have wrong about this explanation
=0A
I am going to have to dep= end on Mark and the "Cosy Girrls" to correct me as I have only done  a= quick
=0A
and dirty fit on one of my 86-91 13B front side ho= usings...........I am 55 miles from my hangar and my day
=0A
job (= caretaker for mother) did not allow me extended time to check all this out.= ........I have a Cosmo 13B
=0A
but the front cover is not removed = and I lacked the time the day I did this............That part was just= eyeball
=0A
measured.........The Renesis pump can probably be ada= pted to the 86-91 13B but will involve some more
=0A
work as = two studs do not match and might compromise pump integrity and rigidity for= belt tension loads.
=0A
 
=0A
  David the "Maz= mart" pump is a stock pump with their proprietary impeller installed on it.= ..........Photos
=0A
of 20B and 13BREW front hsgs attached...=0A
 
=0A
  Please Jump in here Mark and Chrissi gi= ve us the straight info and correct anything I have wrong !!.........
= =0A
=0A
  
=0A

Kelly Troyer
= "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

=0A

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Ba= ckplate/Oil Manifold

=0A

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

=0A

=0A

=0A
=0A
= =0AFrom: David Moyer <david= m@remconinc.com> =0A

To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 11:45:27 AM
<= B>Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Maz= mart Renesis Waterpump
=0A

Very nice to get ju= st want you want for Christmas. I got a few myself for my Cozy. Wondering i= f that will fit my Cosmo engine. Are the pumps the same? Sure looks much mo= re substantial and should provide much better flow.

David Moyer
<= BR>
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Homepage:  http://www.flyrotary.com/
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