X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from schemailmta07.cingularme.com ([209.183.37.67] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTP id 4656527 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 08:52:40 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.183.37.67; envelope-from=davidm@remconinc.com Received: from [10.75.122.162] (really [172.16.130.170]) by schemailmta07.cingularme.com (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-118-20041027) with ESMTP id <20101228135205.ZPWM7836.schemailmta07.cingularme.com@[10.75.122.162]> for ; Tue, 28 Dec 2010 07:52:05 -0600 References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8C148) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7--442973937 Message-Id: Cc: Rotary motors in aircraft X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8C148) From: David Moyer Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Mazmart Renesis Waterpump Date: Tue, 28 Dec 2010 07:52:01 -0600 To: Rotary motors in aircraft X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=E8SZJU2rPawA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=HZJGGiqLAAAA:8 a=0W0xTXeVAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=nJCCRzKuz02LNMQjZAEA:9 a=QR7MjMfX3v94XXhaMBwA:7 a=621HlpELRryUsNf9Z6NJNqHVz-cA:4 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=SQVEfA1_1VUA:10 a=uHVlGOdhgd8A:10 a=KA9t-ddGVegA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=HeoGohOdMD0A:10 a=9j5m576BwKIA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=JU3wbioKCZUYGJcdGAEA:9 a=pZDqPjqBWkAhAiReczIA:7 a=D3MPyN_HeNNYY56l4BZFHb13IBEA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 --Apple-Mail-7--442973937 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mark, good suggestion. I had seen that they had the pump for two different e= ngines, but my little detailed knowledge of the interchangeability of parts b= etween the different engines left me with questions.=20 Thank you. The more I learn, the more I realize how much I still have to lea= rn. --=20 David Moyer Remcon Associates, LLC Tel: 281-360-2158 Fax: 281-360-2168 Cell: 281-795-2712 On Dec 28, 2010, at 7:20 AM, Mark Steitle wrote: > David,=20 >=20 > Mazmart lists two different engines for their water pump. My guess is tha= t one of these will fit your engine. If not, you will have to do the RX-8 p= ump mod as Kelly described. I suggest a call to be sure it will fit before p= lacing your order. >=20 > Mark=20 >=20 > On Mon, Dec 27, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Kelly Troyer wrote: > David, > If you followed the string of posts recently they gave general info on= adapting the Renesis pump to the > eariler 13B rotarys.........Mark Steitle was the first to retrofit it to h= is Cosmo 20B/ Lancair ES..........There > was a lot of chatter (a lot from me) concerning how to do it...........Sin= ce then Mark has provided a photo > and some general instructions how he did it...............The "Cosy Girrrl= s" are currently in process adding > the Renesis pump to their 93-95 13BREW engine................Chrissi said t= hey would take photos for our > group when available.............Basically you purchase a 2004-08 Renesis f= ront engine cover which has the > waterpump hsg built into it................Next you bandsaw the waterpump h= sg from the rest of the cover and > after a bit of grinding, fileing, etc you clean up all the rough sharp edg= es and make it presentable enough > to mount on your engine.................At this point it looks like all b= ut one of the pump hsg mount holes has=20 > matching studs on the Cosmo 20B (Mark helicoiled that one and bolted it)..= ............The Cosmo 13B and > 93-95 13BREW have the same mismatch plus one other.............As you face= the front of the engine the > far left hand stud is too low but both these engines have a machined pad j= ust above this stud that is not > drilled and threaded...............The reason being the stock Cosmo 20B pu= mp is slightly larger in diameter > and these engines use that pad but it is not threaded on the Cosmo 13B and= 93-95 13BREW............. > =20 > That is the way I understand the situation at this point.......Whatever I= have wrong about this explanation > I am going to have to depend on Mark and the "Cosy Girrls" to correct me a= s I have only done a quick > and dirty fit on one of my 86-91 13B front side housings...........I am 55= miles from my hangar and my day > job (caretaker for mother) did not allow me extended time to check all thi= s out.........I have a Cosmo 13B > but the front cover is not removed and I lacked the time the day I did thi= s............That part was just eyeball > measured.........The Renesis pump can probably be adapted to the 86-91 13B= but will involve some more > work as two studs do not match and might compromise pump integrity and rig= idity for belt tension loads. > =20 > David the "Mazmart" pump is a stock pump with their proprietary impeller= installed on it...........Photos > of 20B and 13BREW front hsgs attached... > =20 > Please Jump in here Mark and Chrissi give us the straight info and corre= ct anything I have wrong !!......... > =20 > Kelly Troyer > "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) >=20 > "13B ROTARY"_ Engine > "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 > "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold >=20 > "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: David Moyer >=20 > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Sent: Mon, December 27, 2010 11:45:27 AM > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Mazmart Renesis Waterpump >=20 > Very nice to get just want you want for Christmas. I got a few myself for m= y Cozy. Wondering if that will fit my Cosmo engine. Are the pumps the same? S= ure looks much more substantial and should provide much better flow. >=20 > David Moyer >=20 >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List= .html >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-7--442973937 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Mark, good suggestion. I had seen that t= hey had the pump for two different engines, but my little detailed knowledge= of the interchangeability of parts between the different engines left me wi= th questions. 

Thank you. The more I learn, th= e more I realize how much I still have to learn.

-- 
<= div>David Moyer
Remcon Associates, LLC
Tel: 281-360-2158=
Fax: 281-360-2168
Cell: 281-795-2712
On Dec 28, 2010, at 7:20 AM, Mark Steitle <msteitle@gmail.com> wrote:

David, 

Mazmart lists two dif= ferent engines for their water pump.  My guess is that one of these wil= l fit your engine.  If not, you will have to do the RX-8 pump mod as Ke= lly described.  I suggest a call to be sure it will fit before placing y= our order.

Mark 

On Mon, Dec= 27, 2010 at 4:32 PM, Kelly Troyer <keltro@att.net><= /span> wrote:
=
David,
   If you followed the string of posts recently they&nbs= p; gave general info on adapting the Renesis pump to the
eariler 13B rotarys.........Mark Steitle was the first to retrofit it t= o his Cosmo 20B/ Lancair ES..........There
was a lot of chatter (a lot from me) concerning how to do it...........= Since then Mark has provided a photo
and some general instructions how he did it...............The "Cos= y Girrrls" are currently in process adding
the Renesis pump to their 93-95 13BREW engine................Chrissi sa= id they would take photos for our
group when available.............Basically you purchase a 2004-08 Renes= is front engine cover which has the
waterpump hsg built into it................Next you bandsaw the waterpu= mp hsg from the rest of the cover and
after a bit of grinding, fileing, etc you clean up all the rough sharp e= dges and make it presentable enough
to mount on your engine.................At this point it looks like all=   but one of the pump hsg mount holes has 
matching studs on the Cosmo 20B (Mark helicoiled that one and bolt= ed it)..............The Cosmo 13B and
93-95 13BREW have the same mismatch plus one other.............As you f= ace the front of the engine the
far left hand stud is too low but both these engines have a machined pa= d just above this stud that is not
drilled and threaded...............The reason being the stock Cosmo 20B= pump is slightly larger in diameter
and these engines use that pad but it is not threaded on the Cosmo 13B a= nd 93-95 13BREW.............
 
  That is the way I understand the situation at this point.......W= hatever I have wrong about this explanation
I am going to have to depend on Mark and the "Cosy Girrls" to correct m= e as I have only done  a quick
and dirty fit on one of my 86-91 13B front side housings..........= .I am 55 miles from my hangar and my day
job (caretaker for mother) did not allow me extended time to check all t= his out.........I have a Cosmo 13B
but the front cover is not removed and I lacked the time the day I did&= nbsp;this............That part was just eyeball
measured.........The Renesis pump can probably be adapted to the 86-91 1= 3B but will involve some more
work as two studs do not match and might compromise pump integrity and r= igidity for belt tension loads.
 
  David the "Mazmart" pump is a stock pump with their proprietary i= mpeller installed on it...........Photos
of 20B and 13BREW front hsgs attached...
 
  Please Jump in here Mark and Chrissi give us the straight info a= nd correct anything I have wrong !!.........
  

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Man= ifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo



From: David Moyer <davidm@remconinc.com>

To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Mon, December 27,= 2010 11:45:27 AM
Subject:= [FlyRotary] Re: Mazmart Renesis Waterpump

Very nice to get just want you want for Christmas. I got a few myself for my= Cozy. Wondering if that will fit my Cosmo engine. Are the pumps the same? S= ure looks much more substantial and should provide much better flow.

David Moyer


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