X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from omta1.toronto.rmgopenwave.com ([4.59.182.99] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with ESMTP id 4655500 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:36:27 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=4.59.182.99; envelope-from=lacombr@nbnet.nb.ca Received: from torspm04.toronto.rmgopenwave.com ([142.167.191.103]) by tormtz01.toronto.rmgopenwave.com (InterMail vM.8.00.01.05 201-2244-105-105-20091224) with ESMTP id <20101227143541.KAFW16634.tormtz01.toronto.rmgopenwave.com@torspm04.toronto.rmgopenwave.com> for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:35:41 -0500 Received: from PCdeRita ([142.167.191.103]) by torspm04.toronto.rmgopenwave.com with SMTP id <20101227143540.YJNT17631.torspm04.toronto.rmgopenwave.com@PCdeRita> for ; Mon, 27 Dec 2010 09:35:40 -0500 Message-ID: <9D4DAECFF63E44D8BC852A63C2978CBE@PCdeRita> From: "Rino" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Chris - Update needed Date: Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:35:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0053_01CBA5B1.B6E3FBE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6002.18197 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6002.18263 X-Opwv-CommTouchExtSvcRefID: str=0001.0A020208.4D18A43D.0005,ss=1,fgs=0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01CBA5B1.B6E3FBE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris, It is a car engine, it should start like a car engine, you turn the = ignition key and it starts --- every time. If not something must be = changed to make it so. That is the way mine starts and I have no secret = technique. I think one should not have to remember a complex process = every time he starts the engine. That is one of the reasons I choosed = the rotary to the Lycoming and I am glad I did! Rino Lacombe Renesis powered Glass Goose Chris, For hot starts you might try (1) pump on (2) EC2 on (3) one prime = (4) injectors disabled (5) Starter (6) injectors on=20 after it fires) (you still may have to fiddle with the mixture with = this method)..............Might be worth a try.................<:)=20 =20 Kelly Troyer "DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually) "13B ROTARY"_ Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold "TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From: Chris Barber To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 5:20:43 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Chris - Update needed I was hesitant to provide info as I was having oil pressure issues = again and I dreaded the idea of posting having to pull the engine again. = I could just hear Al Wicks keyboard tuning up. :-) Anyway, I started basic trouble shooting, had removed the prop = preparing to pull the engine off. Before I did so I figured it would be = less messy to drain the pan (gee, ya think?). When I did so I only had = about one quart come out. Odd? I added oil, removed the hose from the cooler and cranked her over = remotely and oil flowed strong and in quantity. So I checked and secured my hose connections, added about five quarts = of Royal Purple and cranked her up sans prop, confidant that I was = comfortable enough with the engine to keep her from over spinning.=20 I checked the manual pressure gauge I had attached and it was pegged = at 80, up from 20. Reinstalled my EC2 electric gauge and got the same = result. Now, this turbo with out the prop is way quieter. Without the prop it = produces a low throaty rumble that say POWER. Except for the exhaust = (rich mixture due to cold temp), noise and spinning prop flange you = could not tell it was running. It was dead smooth. It was kind of weird = walking were the prop usually is while it was running. Not a good habit. = All three starts produced good oil press at around 2600 fpm. Check the basics (or so I hope and this isn't some new anomolie).=20 Mark, the ecu is back in. The engine seems to be running strong and = smooth. I am developing just a hair over 6300 rpm static at about 34 = map. That is with the IVO inflight adjustable set at it's finest setting = of about 45 degree.=20 Another distraction is my EGT readings working. I have discussed this = previously and still need to assess it along with bad fuel pressure = readings.=20 My current project, if the oil pressure is ok, is to develop a hot = start routine. Currently it wants full rich and a few shots of prime for = a cold start. Cold it starts easily.=20 However, warm start is a pita. I seem to be having luck with severe = lean mixture until it catches and fires up. Otherwise, it seems just = about to catch, but doesn't quite do so. It may take a few attempt and = excessive cranking, and of course holding my tongue just right. Also, = what seems to have made a big difference too and making warm cranks = better is two new batteries with a combined cranking amps of 710, up = from what was probably only about 350 ish CAmps before. =20 Other than that I am working on the devil in the details. Geesh there = are a lot of details, but at last hopefully it is not proof of concept, = but flight ready. =20 Questions?????? :-) Sent from my iPhone 4 On Dec 25, 2010, at 3:41 PM, "Mark Steitle" = wrote: > Chris, =20 >=20 > You've been silent for too long. I was curious if you ever got your = EC-2 back from being checked & upgraded? If so, was that the problem? = How about a status update? =20 >=20 > Mark -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_0053_01CBA5B1.B6E3FBE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Chris,
 
It is a car engine, it should start = like a car=20 engine, you turn the ignition key and it starts --- every time.  If = not=20 something must be changed to make it so.  That is the way mine = starts and I=20 have no secret technique.   I think one should not have to = remember a=20 complex process every time he starts the engine.  That is one of = the=20 reasons I choosed the rotary to the Lycoming and I am glad I = did!
 
Rino Lacombe
Renesis powered Glass = Goose
 

Chris,
   For hot starts you might try (1) pump on (2) EC2 on = (3) one=20 prime (4) injectors disabled (5) Starter (6) injectors on
after it fires) (you still may have to fiddle with the mixture = with this=20 method)..............Might be worth a=20 try.................<:) 
 

Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" = (Eventually)

"13B ROTARY"_ = Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil=20 Manifold

"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo



From: Chris Barber=20 <cbarber@texasattorney.net>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 = 5:20:43=20 PM
Subject: = [FlyRotary] Re:=20 Chris - Update needed

I was hesitant to provide info as = I was=20 having oil pressure issues again and I dreaded the idea of posting = having to=20 pull the engine again. I could just hear Al Wicks keyboard tuning up.=20 :-)

Anyway, I started basic trouble shooting, had removed the = prop=20 preparing to pull the engine off. Before I did so I figured it would = be less=20 messy to drain the pan (gee, ya think?). When I did so I only had = about one=20 quart come out. Odd?

I added oil, removed the hose from the = cooler and=20 cranked her over remotely and oil flowed strong and in = quantity.

So I=20 checked and secured my hose connections, added about five quarts of = Royal=20 Purple and cranked her up sans prop, confidant that I was comfortable = enough=20 with the engine to keep her from over spinning.

I checked the = manual=20 pressure gauge I had attached and it was pegged at 80, up from 20. = Reinstalled=20 my EC2 electric gauge and got the same result.

Now, this turbo = with out=20 the prop is way quieter. Without the prop it produces a low throaty = rumble=20 that say POWER. Except for the exhaust (rich mixture due to cold = temp), noise=20 and spinning prop flange you could not tell it was running. It was = dead=20 smooth. It was kind of weird walking were the prop usually is while it = was=20 running. Not a good habit.

All three starts produced good oil = press at=20 around 2600 fpm.

Check the basics (or so I hope and this isn't = some new=20 anomolie).

Mark, the ecu is back in. The engine seems to be = running=20 strong and smooth. I am developing just a hair over 6300 rpm static at = about=20 34 map. That is with the IVO inflight adjustable set at it's finest = setting of=20 about 45 degree.

Another distraction is my EGT readings = working. =20 I have discussed this previously and still need to assess it along = with bad=20 fuel pressure readings.

My current project, if the oil = pressure is ok,=20 is to develop a hot start routine. Currently it wants full rich and a = few=20 shots of prime for a cold start. Cold it starts easily. =

However, warm=20 start is a pita. I seem to be having luck with severe lean mixture = until it=20 catches and fires up. Otherwise, it seems just about to catch, but = doesn't=20 quite do so. It may take a few attempt and excessive cranking, and of = course=20 holding my tongue just right. Also, what seems to have made a big = difference=20 too and making warm cranks better is two new batteries with a combined = cranking amps of 710, up from what was probably only about 350 ish = CAmps=20 before. 

Other than that I am working on the devil in the = details. Geesh there are a lot of details, but at last hopefully it is = not=20 proof of concept, but flight ready. 

Questions??????=20 :-)

Sent from my iPhone 4

On Dec 25, 2010, at 3:41 PM, = "Mark=20 Steitle" <msteitle@gmail.com>=20 wrote:

> Chris, 
>
> You've been silent = for too=20 long.  I was curious if you ever got your EC-2 back from being = checked=20 & upgraded?  If so, was that the problem?  How about a = status=20 update? 
>
> Mark

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