X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm24-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.226] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with SMTP id 4655004 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 17:16:32 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.226; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.91.70] by nm24.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2010 22:15:56 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.33] by tm10.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2010 22:15:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1033.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Dec 2010 22:15:56 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 930115.63394.bm@omp1033.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 5907 invoked by uid 60001); 26 Dec 2010 22:15:56 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1293401756; bh=Az8G6hALktBvv46q7q6WLRL06z8wHfQdixNtmM9OSoE=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=EoUyWCEuxhxKLadryGUmSR1alzsaOXuFureWBvOKmMcVzbaepyrNno/GT1sx8xKImRk9uy3MQK6ZXTkE5BA0C8CG0j3+xeXjTEaF3Uk7a1pXnSyjA7djaKQaEG6KfTYhXP2VRtG8pmq1NiTeEq1R5lwm1EnNrYaxxwuHVts/0Eo= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=tLAYw+X05Gi9HaDjSxPHpgEYeDCj4Mx+h6n4g7/5rKMqoFPMjSrf2UgS7yaCDBuZfiWkW5sAMtESLtK3+Km8xudTNJ8HizZoZzEGjRgSA4Klq/ohqM3K1Oozw17sSyhJkpz5CzGxjiPUgN/5yNIFIZhFuCHNbXl7nQsk78gWEdw=; Message-ID: <768924.4484.qm@web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: mVCcqVEVM1llZWuIIPfL3YrXDDVgoECcVTIySYH4XaXLaXD dw7i9bihXBoWjmyRZf4QOFKhbMzb1aeE51cQsAYf0_2wvvcJdWXYWC3yMFas HXtmt0lrOrp59ct4wQGR2m84pyjQbrl1y12wnFRHn0WCTUQ9OMHYXR9w4K6w 50v.uE7CMpLynPteIM9mt7wUeiWmx8exFcdsahHCPhFk7c7joU3kzxqJ3HgN BfzwYSsZAC75LXylqHEOELvocYLOaWDnk1tSWFPEF8kE4I0y6CkyBEonQarF HTJA2_HPOK0bK Received: from [208.114.46.187] by web83906.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 26 Dec 2010 14:15:56 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: Date: Sun, 26 Dec 2010 14:15:56 -0800 (PST) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Chris - Update needed To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-934097932-1293401756=:4484" --0-934097932-1293401756=:4484 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Chris,=0A=A0=A0 For hot starts you might try (1) pump on (2) EC2 on (3) one= prime (4) =0Ainjectors disabled (5) Starter (6) injectors on =0A=0Aafter i= t fires) (you still may have to fiddle with the mixture with this =0Amethod= )..............Might be worth a try.................<:)=A0=0A=A0=0AKelly Tr= oyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC= 2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A= =0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Chris Barber =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Sat, December 25, 2010 5:20:43 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Chr= is - Update needed=0A=0AI was hesitant to provide info as I was having oil = pressure issues again and I =0Adreaded the idea of posting having to pull t= he engine again. I could just hear =0AAl Wicks keyboard tuning up. :-)=0A= =0AAnyway, I started basic trouble shooting, had removed the prop preparing= to pull =0Athe engine off. Before I did so I figured it would be less mess= y to drain the =0Apan (gee, ya think?). When I did so I only had about one = quart come out. Odd?=0A=0AI added oil, removed the hose from the cooler and= cranked her over remotely and =0Aoil flowed strong and in quantity.=0A=0AS= o I checked and secured my hose connections, added about five quarts of Roy= al =0APurple and cranked her up sans prop, confidant that I was comfortable= enough =0Awith the engine to keep her from over spinning. =0A=0A=0AI check= ed the manual pressure gauge I had attached and it was pegged at 80, up =0A= from 20. Reinstalled my EC2 electric gauge and got the same result.=0A=0ANo= w, this turbo with out the prop is way quieter. Without the prop it produce= s a =0Alow throaty rumble that say POWER. Except for the exhaust (rich mixt= ure due to =0Acold temp), noise and spinning prop flange you could not tell= it was running. It =0Awas dead smooth. It was kind of weird walking were t= he prop usually is while it =0Awas running. Not a good habit. =0A=0A=0AAll = three starts produced good oil press at around 2600 fpm.=0A=0ACheck the bas= ics (or so I hope and this isn't some new anomolie). =0A=0AMark, the ecu is= back in. The engine seems to be running strong and smooth. I am =0Adevelop= ing just a hair over 6300 rpm static at about 34 map. That is with the =0AI= VO inflight adjustable set at it's finest setting of about 45 degree. =0A= =0A=0AAnother distraction is my EGT readings working.=A0 I have discussed t= his =0Apreviously and still need to assess it along with bad fuel pressure = readings. =0A=0A=0AMy current project, if the oil pressure is ok, is to dev= elop a hot start =0Aroutine. Currently it wants full rich and a few shots o= f prime for a cold start. =0ACold it starts easily. =0A=0A=0AHowever, warm = start is a pita. I seem to be having luck with severe lean mixture =0Auntil= it catches and fires up. Otherwise, it seems just about to catch, but =0Ad= oesn't quite do so. It may take a few attempt and excessive cranking, and o= f =0Acourse holding my tongue just right. Also, what seems to have made a b= ig =0Adifference too and making warm cranks better is two new batteries wit= h a =0Acombined cranking amps of 710, up from what was probably only about = 350 ish =0ACAmps before.=A0 =0A=0A=0AOther than that I am working on the de= vil in the details. Geesh there are a lot =0Aof details, but at last hopefu= lly it is not proof of concept, but flight ready.=A0 =0A=0A=0AQuestions????= ?? :-)=0A=0ASent from my iPhone 4=0A=0AOn Dec 25, 2010, at 3:41 PM, "Mark S= teitle" wrote:=0A=0A> Chris,=A0 =0A> =0A> You've been = silent for too long.=A0 I was curious if you ever got your EC-2 back =0A>fr= om being checked & upgraded?=A0 If so, was that the problem?=A0 How about a= status =0A>update?=A0 =0A>=0A> =0A> Mark=0A=0A--=0AHomepage:=A0 http://www= .flyrotary.com/=0AArchive and UnSub:=A0 http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/li= sts/flyrotary/List.html=0A --0-934097932-1293401756=:4484 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Chris,
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   For hot starts you= might try (1) pump on (2) EC2 on (3) one prime (4) injectors disabled (5) = Starter (6) injectors on
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after it fires) (you still may have = to fiddle with the mixture with this method)..............Might be worth a = try.................<:) 
 
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Kelly Troyer
"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)

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"13B ROTARY"_ Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"MISTRAL"= _Backplate/Oil Manifold

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"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo

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=0AFrom: Chris Barber <cbarbe= r@texasattorney.net>
To:<= /B> Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sat, December 25, 2010 5:20= :43 PM
Subject: [FlyRota= ry] Re: Chris - Update needed

I was hesitant to provide info = as I was having oil pressure issues again and I dreaded the idea of posting= having to pull the engine again. I could just hear Al Wicks keyboard tunin= g up. :-)

Anyway, I started basic trouble shooting, had removed the = prop preparing to pull the engine off. Before I did so I figured it would b= e less messy to drain the pan (gee, ya think?). When I did so I only had ab= out one quart come out. Odd?

I added oil, removed the hose from the = cooler and cranked her over remotely and oil flowed strong and in quantity.

So I checked and secured my hose connections, added about= five quarts of Royal Purple and cranked her up sans prop, confidant that I= was comfortable enough with the engine to keep her from over spinning.
I checked the manual pressure gauge I had attached and it was pegged a= t 80, up from 20. Reinstalled my EC2 electric gauge and got the same result= .

Now, this turbo with out the prop is way quieter. Without the prop= it produces a low throaty rumble that say POWER. Except for the exhaust (r= ich mixture due to cold temp), noise and spinning prop flange you could not= tell it was running. It was dead smooth. It was kind of weird walking were= the prop usually is while it was running. Not a good habit.

All th= ree starts produced good oil press at around 2600 fpm.

Check the bas= ics (or so I hope and this isn't some new anomolie).

Mark, the ecu = is back in. The engine seems to be running strong and smooth. I am developing just a hair over 6300 rpm static at about 34 map. That is with = the IVO inflight adjustable set at it's finest setting of about 45 degree. =

Another distraction is my EGT readings working.  I have discus= sed this previously and still need to assess it along with bad fuel pressur= e readings.

My current project, if the oil pressure is ok, is to de= velop a hot start routine. Currently it wants full rich and a few shots of = prime for a cold start. Cold it starts easily.

However, warm start = is a pita. I seem to be having luck with severe lean mixture until it catch= es and fires up. Otherwise, it seems just about to catch, but doesn't quite= do so. It may take a few attempt and excessive cranking, and of course hol= ding my tongue just right. Also, what seems to have made a big difference t= oo and making warm cranks better is two new batteries with a combined crank= ing amps of 710, up from what was probably only about 350 ish CAmps before. 

Other than that I am working on the devil in the det= ails. Geesh there are a lot of details, but at last hopefully it is not pro= of of concept, but flight ready. 

Questions?????? :-)

S= ent from my iPhone 4

On Dec 25, 2010, at 3:41 PM, "Mark Steitle" <= ;msteitle@gmail.com> wrote:

> Chris, 
>
&= gt; You've been silent for too long.  I was curious if you ever got yo= ur EC-2 back from being checked & upgraded?  If so, was that the p= roblem?  How about a status update? 
>
> Mark
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