X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm7-vm0.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.192] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.11) with SMTP id 4647447 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 19:33:36 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.139.91.192; envelope-from=keltro@att.net Received: from [98.139.91.64] by nm7.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2010 00:33:02 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.12] by tm4.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2010 00:33:01 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1012.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 20 Dec 2010 00:33:01 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 937699.80534.bm@omp1012.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 70883 invoked by uid 60001); 20 Dec 2010 00:33:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1292805181; bh=ADV/CH0/MyRV9IZL7NTcjLNebfbTfh3DNBanj3OJ+ow=; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=e/MjGKLXGKpvpZB15s14kNKDlocCTtIMHss8eu9UyZqGBUKbgI4idAy6mlAoAqccQnA8mh6QYJ4H5/Jjg1gr/RNFDXLxq81rLR82n72WtXHTLtyF5asbQHeUsxm3OMHlm/GoaSmV6ALTv/nE5fisyjIP/tw4RxUs+Iu1v9PbuRQ= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=att.net; h=Message-ID:X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Date:From:Subject:To:Cc:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=U/nukD4iRf80tm9OK0nV5OrcBKgfQMF3LN7RqNtzt7+lZNgytWBE/IMOqQYQzQJPpZcjS/xMdyf0hZ34/M+4p4CNIvHOiaEQ2AJpiZ6BbPnf2oUVJliAJCdYFEhzWLYUu8sgj1i9uthJd6Uh66/g1+ETItfpsRV3kMAyH5wmG8c=; Message-ID: <707394.69622.qm@web83904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> X-YMail-OSG: dajBWPQVM1n44v7TfB8u4nL20bb8jMK5iDf2hz7ZJ4HoBzF VAo.3TOSmaanrDCtR13eMIw60utpsnHDnKj1GgcAX7rsqIdjQ1yr_QKXQ8tZ yZNypI.Sr4DO5J2ZN4dcMH5Ym8WeUPPJ7JEeN7cqI_S4qV5VPB3wgnlFcc1N EArRUfhDp4r58cy9HSecR9Dy68fJb9ujGkS250VvCGFS.kXzjJOvmAZewQcs 4Rkg83AWWUcisWPD8NNuQ21Olw2mTPZF14dE6MsRelb63Gl1yNpM1Ai5nsVe 6mf9zFMhaVA-- Received: from [208.114.47.70] by web83904.mail.sp1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 19 Dec 2010 16:33:01 PST X-Mailer: YahooMailRC/553 YahooMailWebService/0.8.107.285259 References: Date: Sun, 19 Dec 2010 16:33:01 -0800 (PST) From: Kelly Troyer Subject: Re: Fw: Water temps To: Rotary motors in aircraft Cc: CozyGirrrl@aol.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1409374765-1292805181=:69622" --0-1409374765-1292805181=:69622 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bobby,=0AThen=A0your ECD54-32 is plumbed in series between radiator and eng= ine rather than =0Aparalleled=0Awith partial coolant flow ??=A0=0A=A0=0AKel= ly Troyer=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD= 1C/EC2/EM2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo= =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Bobby J. Hughes =0ATo: Rotary motors in aircraft =0ASent: Sun, December 19, 2010 6:22:29 PM=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw:= Water temps=0A=0A=0AKelly,=0A=A0=0AMy guess is the A43-300 will provide ab= out 30-35 F Delta T.=A0=A0My ECD54-329 (the =0Alargest unit) provides a max= imum 43F=A0oil temp drop. This is plumbed after the =0Aradiator using the c= oolest water. It did not do as well using warm water out of =0Athe engine.= =A0=0A=A0=0ABobby=0A=A0=0A=A0=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFr= om: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behal= f =0AOf Kelly Troyer=0ASent: Sunday, December 19, 2010 3:13 PM=0ATo: Rotary= motors in aircraft=0ASubject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Water temps=0A=0A=0AChri= ssi,=0A=A0=A0=A0 I did not see an answer to=A0your question about "Mocal" w= ater to oil =0Acoolers...............It has been =0A=0Areported previously = that some have used the "Mocal" model A43-330 cooler with =0Asuccess.......= .=0A=A0=A0 Some have had custom units built by Ed Klepis at=A0 "Tech -Weld"= or other =0Asuppliers...........=A0I have =0A=0Ahad a 330 for some time bu= t alas I am still grounded =0A!!.............<:).........See PDF below.....= .....=A0=0A=0A=0Ahttp://97.74.103.94/files/laminova.pdf=0A=A0=0AKelly Troye= r=0A"DYKE DELTA JD2" (Eventually)=0A"13B ROTARY"_ Engine=0A"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/E= M2=0A"MISTRAL"_Backplate/Oil Manifold=0A"TURBONETICS"_TO4E50 Turbo=0A=0A=0A= =0A=A0=0A>>=A0=0A>>=0A________________________________=0A=0A>>From:"CozyGir= rrl@aol.com" =0A>>To: keltro@att.net=0A>>Sent: Mon, Dec= ember 13, 201012:52:06 PM=0A>>Subject: Re: Fw: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Water te= mps=0A>>This is where I get confused:=0A>>=A0=0A>>said previously, =0A>>-id= eal water temp =3D 160*~180*F=0A>>-ideal oil temp =3D 160*F=0A>>=A0=0A>>If = we are cooling oil with water that is at best hotter than the ideal temp of= =0A>>the oil, then are we not adding heat to it rather than removing it? = =0A>>=0A>>=A0=0A>>If we are trying to cool oil, why would we feed the highe= st temp water to the =0A>>oil/water cooler rather than the coolest temp wat= er by tapping into the pump =0A>>housing where it enters the block?=0A>>=A0= =0A>>Based on feedback, the water entering the block may be as low as 150*~= 160*F, =0A>>would this be cool enough to do an adequate job of cooling the = oil?=0A>>=A0=0A>>Also, which model of Mocal is being used?=0A>>=A0=0A>>...C= hrissi=0A --0-1409374765-1292805181=:69622 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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Then your ECD54-32 is plum= bed in series between radiator and engine rather than paralleled
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Sent: Sun, December 19, 2010 6:22:= 29 PM
Subject: [FlyRotar= y] Re: Fw: Water temps

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My guess is the A43-300 will provide about 30-35 F Delta= T.  My ECD54-329 (the largest unit) provides a m= aximum 43F oil temp drop. This is plumbed after the radiator using the= coolest water. It did not do as well using warm water out of the engine.&n= bsp;
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=0AFrom: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@la= ncaironline.net] On Behalf Of Kelly Troyer
Sent: Sunday, D= ecember 19, 2010 3:13 PM
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Subj= ect: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Water temps

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From:= "CozyGi= rrrl@aol.com" <CozyGirrrl@aol.com>
To: keltro@att.net
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Subject: Re: Fw: [FlyRotary] Re: = Fw: Water temps

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This is where I get con= fused:

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said previously,

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-ideal water temp =3D 160*~180*F

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-ideal oil temp =3D 160*F

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If we are cooling oi= l with water that is at best hotter than the ideal temp of the oil, then ar= e we not adding heat to it rather than removing it?

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If w= e are trying to cool oil, why would we feed the highest temp water to the o= il/water cooler rather than the coolest temp water by tapping into the pump= housing where it enters the block?

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Based on feedback, the = water entering the block may be as low as 150*~160*F, would this be cool en= ough to do an adequate job of cooling the oil?

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Also, which = model of Mocal is being used?

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