X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [162.39.147.110] (HELO pacmmta51-srv.windstream.net) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.9) with ESMTP id 4482320 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:51:25 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=162.39.147.110; envelope-from=jskmberki@windstream.net Return-Path: X-WS-COS: WSOB804 X-Cloudmark-Category: Undefined:Undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=haJLgYxDCAjo8dB84SP3tLS7bgYhKptwOOV0kfJa/C0= c=1 sm=0 a=StY4C9iR8OkA:10 a=pedpZTtsAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=UIjarCkQUdMzMPjtkAsA:9 a=YjYJGPvgyEAgTDibQi0A:7 a=mG8yNUG_jJLGat-RtkC8Dd5IKL0A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=eJojReuL3h0A:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=CfsXlvr2XKLdIT42:21 a=ozTilYxhoLDnK2mZ:21 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=gWzbeVji3ch65LXR6V4A:9 a=wG7_Rd5zzdI-SAZWLvYA:7 a=FF0eFBmhZ30s0j7Nq7XFXWAPd0cA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=GetPeAp5VnGn9oNWVxCOzg==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 Authentication-Results: pacmmta51 smtp.user=jskmberki; auth=pass (LOGIN) Received: from [174.130.33.116] ([174.130.33.116:60339] helo=joehomepc) by pacmmta51 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.45 r()) with ESMTPA id AF/20-12786-94ECF9C4; Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:50:50 -0400 Message-ID: <004201cb5dcd$4f5a7c00$01fea8c0@joehomepc> From: "josrph berki" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Coolant flow Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2010 18:51:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003F_01CB5DAB.C7A262D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.2001 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.2001 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CB5DAB.C7A262D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, I assume the 20B is close to the 13b? Got any pics? =20 Joe Berki Limo EZ ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Mark Steitle=20 To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2010 6:43 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Coolant flow Joe,=20 I installed a Renesis WP on my 20B. It is much lighter than the 20B = pump and is more compact. If you use a custom inlet/outlet, you could = run the lines very close to the engine. Mine are inside the c/l of the = slide throttle. =20 A point of clarification... The Renesis WP is part of the Renesis = front cover. Using a band saw, I separated the WP housing from the = front cover. So, I used the 20B front cover with the Renesis WP. =20 Mark S. On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Bill Bradburry = wrote: Someone on the list is using an EWP. I don't remember who at the = moment. Maybe he will chime in later. Bill B -----Original Message----- From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] = On Behalf Of josrph berki Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 1:51 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Coolant flow Bill, My installation does not have enough room to use the stock RX7 pump. = I have a Toyota Corolla pump that can with some modification be mounted on = one side of the motor. I had to get a Denso alternator to get an alternator = to fit along side the motor. I found a block that permits connectionof = hoses to where the pump used to be. The reason that I am asking all of these = somewhat strange inqueries is just to get a working scenario. My firewall is = 22" wide and this is a pusher so things get worse as you go aft. = Another item that takes a lotof room is the exhaust augmenter. The engine is = also a P Port. I do not believe I can get the cooling right without some = additional means. The shape of the cowls on a canard pusher is critical to = effiency so i am trying to stay tight. I saw a video on a RX7 discussion group that used the Stewart EWP = using the similar block connection. Don't know if it would work in an AC. Joe Berki Limo EZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Bradburry" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 11:52 AM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Coolant flow > What are you trying to do Joe? Does your engine not have a water = pump or > are you trying to accomplish something better? Someone on the = list has an > electric water pump hooked up. > > Bill B > > -----Original Message----- > From: Rotary motors in aircraft = [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On > Behalf Of josrph berki > Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 10:50 AM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Coolant flow > > Thanks for the info on the coolant flow. Currently the Mazda pump = pulls > coolant from the rad and pushes it into the driver's side water = passage per > the info that you stated. The coolant comes out of the block on = the > passengers' side and goes to the radiator. > > Would it be possible to place a stand alone pump inlet at the = outlet of the > block on the passengers's side and push the water through the = radiator then > back into the block inlet on the driver's side? The down side = would be that > the pump would see the hotest coolant. Are there other issues? = Thanks for > any help. > > Joe Berki > Limo EZ > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_NextPart_000_003F_01CB5DAB.C7A262D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark,
 
I assume the 20B is close to the = 13b?  Got any=20 pics? 
 
Joe Berki
Limo EZ
----- Original Message -----
From:=20 Mark = Steitle=20
Sent: Sunday, September 26, = 2010 6:43=20 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Coolant=20 flow

Joe, 

I installed a Renesis WP on my 20B.  It is much lighter than = the 20B=20 pump and is more compact.  If you use a custom inlet/outlet, you = could=20 run the lines very close to the engine.  Mine are inside the c/l = of the=20 slide throttle.  

A point of clarification... The Renesis WP is part of the Renesis = front=20 cover.  Using a band saw, I separated the WP housing from the = front=20 cover.  So, I used the 20B front cover with the Renesis WP. =  =20  

 
Mark S.


On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 1:10 PM, Bill = Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net>= =20 wrote:
Someone=20 on the list is using an EWP.  I don't remember who at the=20 moment.
Maybe he will chime in later.
Bill B

-----Original Message-----
From: = Rotary=20 motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 On
Behalf Of josrph berki
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 1:51 PM
To: = Rotary=20 motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Coolant = flow

Bill,

My=20 installation does not have enough room to use the stock RX7 pump. =  I=20 have
a Toyota Corolla pump that can with some modification be = mounted on=20 one side
of the motor.  I had to get a Denso alternator to = get an=20 alternator to fit
along side the motor.  I found a block = that=20 permits connectionof hoses to
where the pump used to be. The = reason that=20 I am asking all of these somewhat
strange inqueries is just to = get a=20 working scenario.  My firewall is 22"
wide and this is a = pusher so=20 things get worse as you go aft.  Another item
that takes a = lotof=20 room is the exhaust augmenter.  The engine is also a P
Port. = I do=20 not believe I can get the cooling right without some = additional
means.=20  The shape of the cowls on a canard pusher is critical to = effiency=20 so
i am trying to stay tight.

I saw a video on a RX7 = discussion=20 group that used the Stewart EWP using the
similar block = connection.=20  Don't know if it would work in an AC.

Joe Berki
Limo = EZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bradburry" <bbradburry@bellsouth.net>=
To:=20 "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent:=20 Saturday, September 25, 2010 11:52 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Coolant=20 flow


> What are you trying to do Joe?  Does your = engine=20 not have a water pump or
> are you trying to accomplish = something=20 better?  Someone on the list has an
> electric water pump = hooked=20 up.
>
> Bill B
>
> -----Original=20 Message-----
> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 On
> Behalf Of josrph berki
> Sent: Saturday, September = 25, 2010=20 10:50 AM
> To: Rotary motors in aircraft
> Subject: = [FlyRotary]=20 Coolant flow
>
> Thanks for the info on the coolant = flow.=20  Currently the Mazda pump pulls
> coolant from the rad = and pushes=20 it into the driver's side water passage
per
> the info that = you=20 stated.  The coolant comes out of the block on the
> = passengers'=20 side and goes to the radiator.
>
> Would it be possible = to place=20 a stand alone  pump inlet at the outlet of
the
> block = on the=20 passengers's side and push the water through the = radiator
then
>=20 back into the block inlet on the driver's side?  The down side = would=20 be
that
> the pump would see the hotest coolant.  Are = there=20 other issues?  Thanks
for
> any help.
>
> = Joe=20 Berki
> Limo EZ
>
>
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