X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com ([75.180.132.120] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.9) with ESMTP id 4477062 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:51:28 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=75.180.132.120; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Return-Path: X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=XWpAIxpEv6nQ4VqH7tccAqEFKdWr0+7twbIWxYnVzXI= c=1 sm=0 a=rPkcCx1H5rrOSfN0dPC7kw==:17 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=ayC55rCoAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=arxwEM4EAAAA:8 a=r1ClD_H3AAAA:8 a=on22okXAAAAA:8 a=nUuTZ29dAAAA:8 a=Gv1T3nrt0kCpEwSBZPQA:9 a=ZTywr2q-KDslmyneepwA:7 a=UzplOiEtxqKuPiJa1FH1ZB3FrLkA:4 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=EJfFEF4JnhUA:10 a=MIlHpNspmyAA:10 a=-_VOgJYex-MA:10 a=U8Ie8EnqySEA:10 a=EzXvWhQp4_cA:10 a=TlnOPt13aEMA:10 a=3pwOOaWUxANmotoTNqMA:9 a=PZowEnTZ1ssuRmAtEcEA:7 a=peQ5tTSYUej_N69zB24QHxGR-OIA:4 a=at0Q5_2dr5wA:10 a=ZHUsY8zHUz0Vp2Os_2YA:9 a=UENqzrcIPdHyCehrNV5vzY07KacA:4 a=1Vq_FK4TplAA:10 a=51nItO4Ekp-e_3z1jNwA:9 a=-93pMeS6MN3XyhS5bu-x0K5xD4QA:4 a=9SQSOrgtHGne4zT3sTkA:9 a=rPkcCx1H5rrOSfN0dPC7kw==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 174.110.167.5 Received: from [174.110.167.5] ([174.110.167.5:62188] helo=EdPC) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 71/87-17969-D1E5A9C4; Wed, 22 Sep 2010 19:50:54 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternator Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 15:50:43 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0064_01CB5A6D.EA21CD50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8117.416 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8117.416 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0064_01CB5A6D.EA21CD50 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0065_01CB5A6D.EA21CD50" ------=_NextPart_001_0065_01CB5A6D.EA21CD50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, Bill, I know they got hot about folks using their product for = power transmission on belted transmissions back a few years ago. Not = really certain there is much they can do about alternator belts - one = question I've never got in an auto store is "....are you going to use it = on an an airplane??...." . If asked for the application, I simply = state its an off-road vehicle {:>) Ed From: wrjjrs@aol.com=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 3:39 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternator Ed don't tell gates you're using it in an airplane! Bill Jepson -----Original Message----- From: Ed Anderson To: Rotary motors in aircraft Sent: Wed, Sep 22, 2010 12:17 pm Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternator Hi Jeff, see Mark's message regarding larger pulley. Regarding belts, I = tried some store-brand belts and went though one In less than 10 hours. = I now only use GATES belts - the latest one I have on has over 300 hours = on it and it still look brand new. Sometimes quality does count {:>) Ed From: Jeff Whaley=20 Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternator Well, I=E2=80=99m in the survey as NOT MODIFIED. Ed, On the same subject, how many hours are you getting out of your = alternator belts? I=E2=80=99ve got about 50 hours on mine and am seeing black powder on = the top cowling underside and the same on the belts. And where can I get a 4=E2=80=9D diameter dual-groove pulley for the = rotary? I bought one from Racing Beat but it is only about 2.75-3=E2=80=9D = diameter =E2=80=A6 would like to slow my alternator more. Jeff From: "Ed Anderson" =20 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternator=20 Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 22:22:04 -0400=20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" = =20 =20 =20 =20 No, Joe, I did not. I had not realized at the time (boy, have I = gained an education messing with this alternative engine stuff {:>)) = that simply putting a circuit breaker in the field coil line would not = necessarily turn off the alternator when it was pulled. I have = verified that pulling the CB after the alternator is turning does NOT = turn it off - at least not mine. But, I never had an automobile = alternator ever run away voltage wise (all have simply quite producing = adequate voltage), so decided to leave well enough alone. I figured my modifications might reduce reliability and never the = kind of problem most feared in aircraft usage, so have not = altered/modified it. But, other's have. It would be interesting to take = a survey and find out how many on the list have or have not modified = their alternators. Ed -------------------------------------------------- From: "josrph berki" Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:14 PM To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternator Ed, Thanks for the input. Did you modify it at all to remove the = regulator or provide for disabling the field? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ed Anderson" = To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:38 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternator Joe, I still fly with the old standard Rx-7 alternator - have been = ever since I launched in 1998 - never failed so I'm still hauling = around about 5 lbs more weight that I need to. So can't offer you any light = weight solutions. But, there are others that have done research on light = weight alternators whom I'm certain will offer suggestions. Ed Edward L. Anderson Anderson Electronic Enterprises LLC 305 Reefton Road Weddington, NC 28104 http://www.andersonee.com http://www.eicommander.com -------------------------------------------------- From: "josrph berki" Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:21 PM To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Subject: [FlyRotary] Alternator > What alternator is being used on the rotary? With EFI and = electronic > ignition I would think a 60 amp would be suitable. Does anyone = have a > light > weight small solution? Thanks for any help. > > Joe Berki > Limo EZ=20 Jeff Whaley Manager, Test and Repair International Datacasting Corp. 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Yeah, Bill,  I know they got hot about = folks using=20 their product for power transmission on belted transmissions back a few = years=20 ago.  Not really certain there is much they can do about alternator = belts=20  - one question I've never got in an auto store is "....are you = going to=20 use it on an an airplane??...."   .  If asked for the=20 application, I simply state its an off-road vehicle {:>)
 
 
Ed

Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 3:39 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternator

Ed don't tell gates you're using it in an airplane!
Bill Jepson



-----Original=20 Message-----
From: Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com&g= t;
To:=20 Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent:=20 Wed, Sep 22, 2010 12:17 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Alternator

Hi Jeff, see Mark's message regarding larger = pulley. =20 Regarding belts, I tried some store-brand belts and went though one In = less than=20 10 hours.  I now only use GATES belts - the latest one I have on = has over=20 300 hours on it and it still look brand new.  Sometimes quality = does count=20 {:>)
 
Ed

Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2010 1:00 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Alternator

Well, I=E2=80=99m in the survey as NOT = MODIFIED.
Ed, On the same subject, how many hours are you = getting out=20 of your alternator belts?
I=E2=80=99ve got about 50 hours on mine and am = seeing black powder=20 on the top cowling underside and the same on the belts.
And where can I get a 4=E2=80=9D diameter = dual-groove pulley for=20 the rotary?
I bought one from Racing Beat but it is only = about 2.75-3=E2=80=9D=20 diameter =E2=80=A6 would like to slow my alternator more.
Jeff
 
From:
"Ed=20 Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com&g= t;
Subject:
Re:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Alternator
Date:
Tue,=20 21 Sep 2010 22:22:04 -0400
To:
"Rotary=20 motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>


No, Joe, I did not.  I had not = realized at=20 the time (boy, have I gained an education messing with this = alternative=20 engine stuff {:>)) that simply putting a circuit breaker in the = field=20 coil line would not necessarily turn off the alternator when it = was=20 pulled.    I have verified that pulling the CB after the = alternator is turning does NOT turn it off - at least not mine. = But, I=20 never had an automobile alternator ever run away voltage wise (all = have=20 simply quite producing adequate voltage), so decided to leave well = enough=20 alone.

I figured=20 my modifications might reduce reliability and never the kind of = problem=20 most feared in aircraft usage, so have not altered/modified it. = But,=20 other's have.  It would be interesting to take a survey and = find out=20 how many on the list have or have not modified their=20 = alternators.

Ed

-------------------------= -------------------------
From:=20 "josrph berki" <jskmberki@windstream.net>=
Sent:=20 Tuesday, September 21, 2010 7:14 PM
To: "Rotary motors = in=20 aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Alternator
Ed,

Thanks for=20 the input.  Did you modify it at all to remove the regulator=20 or
provide for disabling the field?

Joe
----- = Original=20 Message ----- From: "Ed Anderson" <eanderson@carolina.rr.com&g= t;
To:=20 "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent:=20 Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:38 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re:=20 Alternator

Joe, I still = fly with=20 the old standard Rx-7 alternator - have been ever
since I = launched in=20 1998 - never failed so I'm still hauling around about
5
lbs more = weight that I=20 need to.  So can't offer you any light weight
solutions.=20  But, there are others that have done research on light=20 weight
alternators whom I'm certain will offer=20 suggestions.

Ed

Edward L. Anderson
Anderson = Electronic=20 Enterprises LLC
305 Reefton Road
Weddington, NC 28104
http://www.andersonee.com
http://www.eicommander.com


= --------------------------------------------------
From:=20 "josrph berki" <jskmberki@windstream.net>=
Sent:=20 Tuesday, September 21, 2010 6:21 PM
To: "Rotary motors in = aircraft"=20 <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Alternator

> What alternator is being used = on the=20 rotary?  With EFI and electronic
> ignition I would = think a 60=20 amp would be suitable.  Does anyone have a
> = light
>=20 weight small solution?  Thanks for any help.
>
> = Joe=20 Berki
> Limo EZ
 
 
Jeff=20 Whaley
Manager,=20 Test and Repair
International = Datacasting=20 Corp.
Tele: = 613-596-4120 (ext:=20 2295)
Fax: =20 613-596-9208
www.datacast.com
 


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