Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #52137
From: Chris Barber <cbarber@texasattorney.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: RPM drop out on EM2
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 15:45:31 +0000
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
My goodness Jeff, THANK YOU.  That is extremely helpful and will allow me to tackle the task.  Now that I see what is expected, I know it to be within my skill set.  I was curious how it would tie in to my harness., your illustrations show it perfectly.  I purchased the parts yesterday based on Tracy's email
 
Thanks Tracy.  Enjoy CO ;-)  Maybe I will be flying by your return.....naaaahhhhhh!
 
Chris

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] on behalf of Jeff Whaley [jwhaley@datacast.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2010 8:04 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: RPM drop out on EM2

Hi Chris:

I’ve tried to put together a pictorial method of what you need to do.

For the rpm drop, I suggest you cut the injector-drive-to-tachometer wire about 4 inches away from the EM2 connector, slide a 2” piece of 1/8 heat-shrink over each end, strip the insulation off about ¾ inches from the now 2 ends, then splice a resistor in series, similar to photo 001 attached … You could stop here and see what the resistors does on its own, there will be some internal capacitance in the EM2, to assist the resistor in filtering.

Another way to add capacitance is: at the resistor end closest to the EC2 splice in a capacitor and ground wire as shown 002 … use a bit of solder on each splice joint … the ground wire goes to any ground point.  Add a piece of heat-shrink to the ground wire; slide all heat-shrinks close together (003) and shrink them with a heat gun.  This method requires, axial-lead components; I suggest 5-10K resistor and a 0.01 uF capacitor.  Make sure it is only the pick-up wire for the tachometer that you cut and splice … do not cut the EC2-to-Injector wire. 

Jeff

 

From:

Chris Barber <cbarber@texasattorney.net>

Subject:

RPM drop out on EM2 (too close to first flight to procrastinate)

Date:

Wed, 15 Sep 2010 18:48:13 +0000

To:

Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

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This issue has been briefly discussed before.  Specifically in May of 2009 by Don Walker with the topic of "Fine Tuning"

 

2. Starting at about 6000 RPM, the RPM display on the EM-2 starts dropping out.  By the time the RPM gets to 6500 or so it is almost completely gone, but comes back when I reduce the throttle.  I have an optical prop tach so I know it's speed

with some possible solutions further down in the email

 

  I have had an e-mail discussion with Tracy and he says there may be an Electrical noise problem.  He wrote, "a cap and a resistor on the injector line to the EM-2".  That's it, but no specifics or drawings.  Anyone have any thoughts on this?  Right now I have EC-2 line 17 hooked to line p3-6 on the EM-2.  It was suggested to do this to make the signal stronger rather than have it just come via the serial lines.  By the way, I'm not an EE or electronics tech so I really don't know what I'm doing, just a guy who can usually follow directions.  I suspect there may be a common cause to all this.  Perhaps it is electrical noise.  It seems to be part of it.  If the noise problem takes care of some of this, great.  Then on to the remaining.  My next experiment will be to run the engine with only the Essential buss on and see if anything changes.  I only have one Ground line off my battery to the Firewall ground.  If I remember correctly, 2 grounds run off that to the engine and that's it.  This cutting edge stuff takes forever.  Thankfully it's not bleeding edge.

 

Don, Tracy...Ed....??? Was there a resolution to this issue as I am having the same thing happen to me.  As I approach 6000 rpm the display on the EM2 drops out to zero, but may flash other values as well.  When I pull back on the throttle, the display to appear to become happier and display what I think/hope is accurate but will drop out again if I add power.

 

I was somewhat pleased that this was described on an RV since often the first thing folks will key in on for my project is the long wire runs on my Velocity.  Course, it could be the long wire runs, but RV's do not usually have this particular issue.

 

I also, like Don mentioned in his original post, am not a EE, but am usually somewhat trainable.  I would have no idea of where to start to address these issues....especially such as adding a cap and resistor.  Heck, I don't even know what a cap is and just kinda sorto know what a resistor is.  Also, what "size" of these items would be used and how would they be used??????installed?????etc?????

 

I thought I would touch base here before I considered troubling Tracy with a call based in ignorance and frustration.  I did search the archives (as evidenced by finding Don's post), however, determining WHAT to search for can be a bit elusive as times.

 

I am really quite close to potential first flight.  Other than a few gremlins like the one mentioned, I am pretty much left with readjusting the toe in since the wings and engine have been installed, setting the wing incidences to the canard again and weighing the thing...oh, and calling my local DAR.

Another gremlin for your consideration.  Again, concerning the EM2, I have had the displayed numerals disappear.  They will then come back.  I have RE-checked the wires and all is as it should be, as it has been when I checked in the past.  It may be the rheostat  connection as it is the only thing I have not yet checked and it sorta acts as if the rheostat has bee turned.

 

Finally, again, EM2, my EGT readings are jumping all over the place.  From maybe  300 degrees to 8500 degrees.  It appears random and jumps all over the place.  Not surprising it trips my "trouble light".  Again, I have checked and rechecked the wires and connections.  My next troubleshooting check will be to pull the sensors themselves from the turbo manifold.  I am wondering if I placed the sensors too close to the rotary exhaust (about 3 inches from the ports) and I fried the sensors.

 

Tracy's tech day is Saturday, Right???

 

Thanks in advance guys. I would not have come this far without ya.

 

All the best,

 

Chris Barber

Houston

Velocity N17010

 

 

Jeff Whaley
Manager, Test and Repair

International Datacasting Corp.

Tele: 613-596-4120 (ext: 2295)
Fax:  613-596-9208

www.datacast.com

 



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