X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from [208.71.9.251] (HELO sophos.demersbeaulne.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.9) with ESMTPS id 4466583 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:52:09 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=208.71.9.251; envelope-from=edeslauriers@demersbeaulne.com Received: from sophos.demersbeaulne.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (Email Security Appliance) with SMTP id 6ACF6193B7EE_C8FC434B for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 18:51:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DB-4.demersbeaulne.com (db-4.demersbeaulne.com [172.16.0.24]) by sophos.demersbeaulne.com (Sophos Email Appliance) with ESMTP id CBF6E193B7ED_C8FC433F for ; Tue, 14 Sep 2010 18:51:31 +0000 (GMT) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: New rotary Cozy IV builder Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 14:51:27 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [FlyRotary] Re: New rotary Cozy IV builder Thread-Index: ActTm7usqyooxedfQxmKWrNjg7pl5AAoP04g References: From: "Eric Deslauriers" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Well, my idea is to tap the oil pan (at a level that in the event of a = rupture, will not starve the engine of lubricating oil (i.e. using a = stand off tube))and use an electric pump (which can be turn on or off)to = circulate oil to the heating coil in the nose. I've seen pump that can circulate 4 to 8 gal/pm easily, which I think = will be ok for heating. I've also planed for a heat exchanger = (coolant/oil) to help keep oil temps higher. Do you guys see obvious faults/problems with such a setup? Eric Deslauriers, CMA Directeur principal / Senior Manager Juricomptabilit=E9 et =E9valuation d'entreprises / Forensic accounting = and business valuation Demers Beaulne S.E.N.C.R.L. 1100, boul Ren=E9-L=E9vesque Ouest, 20i=E8me =E9tage Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) H3B 4N4 T=E9l=E9phone : (514) 878-0290 Mobile : (514) 887-2136 T=E9l=E9copieur : (514) 874-0319 mailto:edeslauriers@demersbeaulne.com http://www.demersbeaulne.com =20 =20 -----Message d'origine----- De=A0: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] De = la part de Bob Tilley Envoy=E9=A0: 13 septembre 2010 19:30 =C0=A0: Rotary motors in aircraft Objet=A0: [FlyRotary] Re: New rotary Cozy IV builder Eric If you are going to use a Mazda rotary, the oil pressure is to high and = pulsating to use! Unless you use another pump to pump it out of the oil = pan to the heater. The engine oil pump will eat up most every flexible = line or coil you might use. Bob Tilley Baton Rouge On Sep 13, 2010, at 4:39 PM, "Eric Deslauriers" = wrote: > I did a bit of reading on many on the car forum (read diesel and = hybrids), and the consensus on these boards is that 12V electric heating = does not work. Plus the draw on the electric system is very high. But I = will monitor your progress for sure. >=20 > But, I was thinking of running 1/2" flexible aluminum tubing (will = probably need to be insulated?) from the engine compartment to the nose = section to install an oil radiator core and blower there. Exactly like = it's shown in the Aerocanard video (lines glasses to the inside of both = fuselage sides). >=20 > If I were to use coolant and not oil, what size/type of lines should I = use? And are 1/2" line for oil adequate? If not what would be an ideal = setup for someone using a radiator (coolant or oil? What line = size/type?, etc.)? >=20 > I really appreciate the help (guess it not the last time I use this = line :-) ) >=20 > Eric Deslauriers, CMA > Directeur principal / Senior Manager > Juricomptabilit=E9 et =E9valuation d'entreprises / Forensic accounting = and business valuation > Demers Beaulne S.E.N.C.R.L. > 1100, boul Ren=E9-L=E9vesque Ouest, 20i=E8me =E9tage > Montr=E9al (Qu=E9bec) H3B 4N4 > T=E9l=E9phone : (514) 878-0290 > Mobile : (514) 887-2136 > T=E9l=E9copieur : (514) 874-0319 > mailto:edeslauriers@demersbeaulne.com > http://www.demersbeaulne.com >=20 >=20 > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] De = la part de Ernest Christley > Envoy=E9 : 13 septembre 2010 16:31 > =C0 : Rotary motors in aircraft > Objet : [FlyRotary] Re: New rotary Cozy IV builder >=20 > John Slade wrote: >> Something like this: >> = http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=3D12v+ceramic+heater&hl=3Den&cid= =3D12874249802847341330&ei=3D94GOTLWcA6DOwQXgnu2cBA&sa=3Dtitle&ved=3D0CAc= Q8wIwADgA#p=20 >> = >>=20 >> Chad Robinson is installing a couple of these. I will probably get=20 >> something similar. >=20 > 300 watts. That's going to be 20 to 25 amps, depending on what your=20 > regulator is set to, and will still only give 1/4 of what the typical=20 > hair dryer delivers. Probably a minor issue if the heat can be = trapped=20 > in that insulated tube called a Cozy cockpit, but close to useless=20 > otherwise. I have found the defrost to be MUCH more important than=20 > cabin heat. The defrost of the Cherokee I trained in could barely = keep=20 > up with the chill of a North Carolina morning, and made finding the=20 > airport "interesting" (wipe/scan......wipe/scan....wipe). >=20 > My solution for my Delta was to pull heat off the oil cooler. A = movable=20 > panel blocks part of the air in the exit duct and forces it through = the=20 > cabin through SCEET hoses. Vents are located in what I hope are = optimal=20 > defrosting positions. >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html