X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from imr-da01.mx.aol.com ([205.188.105.143] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3.2) with ESMTP id 4125245 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 02:57:06 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=205.188.105.143; envelope-from=WRJJRS@aol.com Received: from imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (imo-ma01.mx.aol.com [64.12.78.136]) by imr-da01.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id o1F7uPER012513 for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 02:56:25 -0500 Received: from WRJJRS@aol.com by imo-ma01.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v42.9.) id q.d24.5e5ae7ed (37036) for ; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 02:56:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from magic-d20.mail.aol.com (magic-d20.mail.aol.com [172.19.155.136]) by cia-db02.mx.aol.com (v127.7) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB026-90ac4b78fe2228f; Mon, 15 Feb 2010 02:56:18 -0500 From: WRJJRS@aol.com Message-ID: <2b732.15f6f9f1.38aa5822@aol.com> Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 02:56:18 EST Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: PP Housings To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_2b732.15f6f9f1.38aa5822_boundary" X-Mailer: 9.0 SE for Windows sub 5046 X-AOL-ORIG-IP: 75.229.28.109 X-AOL-IP: 172.19.155.136 X-Spam-Flag:NO X-AOL-SENDER: WRJJRS@aol.com --part1_2b732.15f6f9f1.38aa5822_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mike, The original PowerSport RV-3 was piloted by Alan. All of the FWF systems were built by Everett and Steve. That airplane was a test bed for the "Superlite" engine, which used Mazda rotors and housings but was so modified that you couldn't recognize anything. The plane had the world record for time to climb for prop driven small displacement aircraft for some time. That plane was a screamer, both literally and figuratively. It had two straight pipes dumping at the stock cowl exit. It would wake the dead. They had to brace the cockpit floor to prevent trouble from the pulses loosening rivets. Need I say a good muffler is in the works too? OK I am going to check with Steve to see when we might be able to build some for the public. As to the side plates, you can build them from aluminum, but there is another solution that PS tried. They did a lightweight machined and welded steel end plate only about 1-2 pounds heaver than the aluminum plate and nitrideable just like the stocker. You would have to be running P-ports though as there was no provision for side ports in these housings. Once I have some quotes on the machining I'll give you some kind of price ideas. I'm modeling the system and producing drawings for proper produceability. Bill Bill, So do you have an estimate on when these might be available and at what price? On a somewhat related note, anyone have any experience with any aftermarket aluminum end/intermediate housings? I'd love to build an all aluminum P-Port engine. The first rotary airplane I ever saw was the original Powersport RV-3 that Alan Tolle built. That engine was all aluminum and the airplane was so nice and light it was a rocket ship. Sign me up! Mike Wills From: _WRJJRS@aol.com_ (mailto:WRJJRS@aol.com) Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:44 AM To: _Rotary motors in aircraft_ (mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net) Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: PP Housings In a message dated 2/14/2010 7:40:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, _keltro@att.net_ (mailto:keltro@att.net) writes: George, Do you have any contact info for the ex "Powersport" type PP housings ??............. -- Kelly Troyer "Dyke Delta"_13B ROTARY Engine "RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2 "Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manifold Kelly, Not to butt in but I am working with one of the original PowerSport guys and we are going to work out the layouts so we can have the P-ports done CNC. These P-ports are properly sealed, using o-rings, no goo, not welded to the internal steel. Everett Hatch and Steve Beckham work this out years ago and they don't leak. We plan to change just slightly from the original design putting the butterfly outside of the port, but still at the housing face to allow good throttle response. This needs to be available to the guys running in aircraft. We want to make a safe and robust system. Bill Jepson --part1_2b732.15f6f9f1.38aa5822_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mike,
The original PowerSport RV-3 was piloted by Ala= n. All=20 of the FWF systems were built by Everett and Steve. That airplane was a te= st bed=20 for the "Superlite" engine, which used Mazda rotors and housings but was= so=20 modified that you couldn't recognize anything. The plane had the world rec= ord=20 for time to climb for prop driven small displacement aircraft for some tim= e.=20 That plane was a screamer, both literally and figuratively. It had tw= o=20 straight pipes dumping at the stock cowl exit. It would wake the dead. The= y had=20 to brace the cockpit floor to prevent trouble from the pulses loosening=20 rivets. Need I say a good muffler is in the works too? OK I am= going=20 to check with Steve to see when we might be able to build some for the pub= lic.=20 As to the side plates, you can build them from aluminum, but there=20 is another solution that PS tried. They did a lightweight machin= ed and=20 welded steel end plate only about 1-2 pounds heaver than the aluminum= plate=20 and nitrideable just like the stocker. You would have to be running P-port= s=20 though as there was no provision for side ports in these housings. Once I= =20 have some quotes on the machining I'll give you some kind of pri= ce=20 ideas. I'm modeling the system and producing drawings for proper=20 produceability.
Bill 
Bill,
So do you have an estimate on when th= ese might=20 be available and at what price?
 
On a somewhat related note, anyone ha= ve any=20 experience with any aftermarket aluminum end/intermediate housings? I'd= love=20 to build an all aluminum P-Port engine. The first rotary airplane I ever= saw=20 was the original Powersport RV-3 that Alan Tolle built. That engine was= all=20 aluminum and the airplane was so nice and light it was a rocket ship. Si= gn me=20 up!
 
Mike Wills

Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:44 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: PP Housings

In a message dated 2/14/2010 7:40:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, keltro@at= t.net=20 writes:
George,
   Do you have any contact info for the ex "Powers= port"=20 type PP housings ??.............  
--
Kelly Troyer
"Dyke Del= ta"_13B=20 ROTARY Engine
"RWS"_RD1C/EC2/EM2
"Mistral"_Backplate/Oil Manif= old=20
Kelly,
Not to butt in but I am working with one of the original PowerSport= guys=20 and we are going to work out the layouts so we can have the P-ports done= CNC.=20 These P-ports are properly sealed, using o-rings, no goo, not welded to= the=20 internal steel. Everett Hatch and Steve Beckham work this out years ago= and=20 they don't leak. We plan to change just slightly from the original desig= n=20 putting the butterfly outside of the port, but still at the housing face= to=20 allow good throttle response. This needs to be available to the guys run= ning=20 in aircraft. We want to make a safe and robust system.
Bill Jepson
 
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