Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #48994
From: Steve Brooks <cozy4pilot@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Battery Location[FlyRotary] Re: No start after engine replacement
Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 07:34:36 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Ed,
That sounds like a good explanation for what I am seeing.  The battery is about two years old.  It is an Odyssey PC680.  I have two batteries, one sits on the rear spar and runs all of the engine stuff, and the other one is in the nose an runs the avionics.  I have pretty heavy cables running from the battery to the engine, 0 gauge as I recall, and they are not very long.  Maybe 5 ft for the one hooked to the started, and 3 ft for the one ground connected to the engine block.

I will check the voltage as you suggested while cranking,  I also have an emergency bypass switch where I cant power the engine critical buss from the front battery, so that would also be a quick test, as I could crank from the rear battery and power the EC-2 and coils from the front.

I just installed the EC-3, so I'm not too familiar with it yet.  I will see if it shows the RPM during cranking.  I'm not sure if it does or not.

Steve

Ed Anderson wrote:
Steve, where is your battery located?  Engine compartment or nose??
Long leads can drop a lot of voltage under cranking current.  New engine may
have  higher compression and  may take more juice than previous engine to
turn it over fast enough.  The fact that your old engine was also hard to
start makes me wonder.

Ed

Ed Anderson

Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered

Matthews, NC

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-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of Steve Brooks
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 4:46 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: No start after engine replacement

That's interesting.  I had not made any changes to mode 8, but it is certainly easy enough to reset it to default. Steve

Steven W. Boese wrote:
  
Steve,

It might be useful to reset the EC2 timing mode 8 setting to the default
    
setting. My EC2's do not produce consistent or strong sparks at RPM's  less
than about 1200 if the EC2 timing is advanced using mode 8.  The greater the
advance, the weaker the spark.  Occasionally there will be a strong spark,
but the timing on these is very retarded.  With my EC2's, the most
consistent low RPM sparks are obtained at the most retarded mode 8 setting,
but the EC2 must be receiving CAS signals (engine running) in order to make
this change.
  
Steve Boese

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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of
    
Steve Brooks [cozy4pilot@gmail.com]
  
Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 1:09 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] No start after engine replacement

I replaced my original engine with another newly rebuilt block, and also
added the EM-3 to the installation. The old engine was hard to start,
and was also making a ticking noise when it did start, which didn't used
to be there.

After several failed attempts, and double checking the connections, I
had a neighbor help me do some testing.  While the ignition test runs
fine, when checking one of the plugs, it sparks when I initially crank
the engine, and then stops.  Once in a while there will be another
spark, but not very often.

I reinstalled the original CAS and have the same issue.  I have double
checked the CAS connections and checked them with an ohm meter to the
connector on the EC-2 also. Everything seems to check out, yet I get
only that initial spark. I have replaced the spark plugs with new ones,
and whenever I pull one to check it, is is wet with fuel, which is no
surprise.

I am wondering if anyone has seen this type of problem, or if you have
any suggestions.

Regards,
Steve Brooks
Cozy MKIV 13B turbo

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