X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-bw0-f226.google.com ([209.85.218.226] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c1) with ESMTP id 3950891 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 08:56:57 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.218.226; envelope-from=msteitle@gmail.com Received: by bwz26 with SMTP id 26so1185858bwz.27 for ; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:56:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=LMXfWFQYV+0H7eeyP8WGsar2r5Jw/NQO3lc/weVg+FE=; b=lEODSHObEQLaZQI/Yr0zf73PhD3JDhbQ8WjGxDcOxrmYZIz8kR799ek8FUhTTaBb9G ghhrbj74zQFoGaHztSwjr8Q6oAfTrqdqNz8mN5Lx+4VvhoM1TJVQ9+IOr8pPAb0hzwbb FL5Q7M2XeqMDdlqkqT+8xalMq1HfsGB5AuE54= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=fk1Eh5C/5rKKpPkba/xOsfQuJLhOySfP2ms+H71YaItZpeunOhNeq702coz9cFQLN7 onACSaLNJDrzlCxzR305b2dB4s3cTA7b5Xqw9wdowtpye5uqXJCJKpGN2AWjGuyxf4mA 0L+OyTpYByAxG1nhfI8WQUsnD8Ooeuua6lIxc= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.160.143 with SMTP id n15mr4460363bkx.183.1257515779458; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 05:56:19 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 07:56:19 -0600 Message-ID: <5cf132c0911060556o79330419w11007d6f3d9cfa6b@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: PRIVATE - TES O-Ring Dimensions From: Mark Steitle To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cb1e85587470477b43588 --0015175cb1e85587470477b43588 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable George, Stretching on boards would only make them bigger. One dim. was already 1/4= " too big to start with. It is nearly impossible to shrink them without cutting and splicing. Anyway, I got it confirmed that the correct dia is 11.190 (I used 11.210" on my first engine and they fit great). Now to get my order placed and move on. BTW.. regarding cleaning rotors, someone asked if oven cleaner would work. Yes it does! I tried it and it worked great! I used two different brands (with different chemical compounds) and both worked like a champ. It took = a few applications to get through the really thick stuff, and I suggest you protect the bearings, but this worked better than using Coastal Power Clean as I did when cleaning up my first engine. Using oven cleaner, I got all three rotors cleaned up in a couple of hours time. Just don't breath the fumes, get it on your skin, or in your eyes! Mark S. On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 1:01 AM, George Lendich wrote= : > Mark, > I believe Pl was advised of these proper measurements, but ignored them. = It > may be he refused to believe that he was wrong. Sure as hell beats > stretching them on a board, the right size pops directly into place. The > beauty of fractional fittings. > George (down under) > > George, > > My research and measurments confirm these dimensions. Thanks for the inf= o. > > Mark > > On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 6:59 PM, George Lendich wrot= e: > >> >> >> Mark, >> Kelly Troyer, sent some end housings to Jeff Chrysler of Creavey, to mak= e >> absolutely sure of sizing. Jeff promised me that he would hold a record = of >> the proper size for all Mazda Rotary requests. >> >> The sizes ID by Jeff where as you have stated.for the oil seals - and >> Coolant seals are >> PFA-Sil 0.093 section 11.190 inch ID >> PFA-Sil 0.093 section 8.950 inch ID >> HTH >> George (down under) >> >> >> Paul, >> >> I'm sending this to you "private" so as not to confuse everyone with a >> bunch of dimensions that may, or may not, turn out to be correct. I spo= ke >> with Jeff today thinking that he would be able to verify the correct siz= es >> and he doesn't have those dimensions. >> >> Looking through my archives, I found an old email stating that I initial= ly >> used the 11.340" dimension, but it turned out to be too large and I had = to >> send it back to have it re-sized to 11.230" which worked perfectly (didn= 't >> require stretching) and laid in the groove very nicely. >> >> >> >> I found my receipt from Creavy Seal Co. Unfortunately, it is only for o= ne >> coolant seal, and both oil seals. >> >> >> >> As for the outer coolant seal=85 Originally I ordered a set of SIL .093 = =96 >> 11.340 ID o-rings. These proved to be too big and I had to send them ba= ck. >> Note that 11.340 minus .090 is 11.230=85 the correct size. I had given = them a >> size based on CL, not ID. So, be sure you=92re on the same page when or= dering >> these things. After a few emails to Jeff Chrysler, we got it right on t= he >> re-order with these numbers=85 *SIL .093 =96 11.230*. These fit perfectl= y. I >> can find no records for what I ordered on the inner coolant seals. Here= is >> an email I sent to Jeff Chrysler at Creavy Seal after fit-checking the n= ew >> outer coolant o-rings. >> >> >> >> Attn: Jeff Chrysler >> >> >> >> Hi Jeff, >> >> The reworked TES o-rings fit perfect. Final dimension for the outer >> coolant o-rings is .093 x 11.230" ID. Thank you so much for all your he= lp. >> I can start putting my engine back together now. I have passed this >> information along to Paul Lamar as well. This size should work for all = 13B >> and 20B engines, but you may want to verify size before using it for the= new >> Renesis engines. >> >> >> >> Thanks again for your assistance, >> >> Mark Steitle >> >> >> >> The information for the two oil seals are SIL .093 =96 4.680 ID, and SIL >> .118 =96 4.330 ID. >> >> >> >> Using your example of how to measure and calculate the coolant o-ring >> dimensions, I ran the numbers and came up with 11.182" for the outer coo= lant >> o-ring. Based on this info, I order based on the 11.230" dimension for = the >> outer o-ring. I'll let you know how it works out. >> >> All of the other dims agree with my numbers. >> >> Thanks, >> Mark >> >> > --0015175cb1e85587470477b43588 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
George,
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Stretching on boards would only make=A0them bigger.=A0 One dim.=A0was = already 1/4" too big to start with.=A0 It is nearly impossible to shri= nk them without cutting and splicing.=A0 Anyway, I got it confirmed that th= e correct dia=A0is 11.190 (I used 11.210" on my first engine and they = fit great).=A0 Now to get my order placed and move on.
=A0
BTW.. regarding cleaning rotors, someone asked if oven cleaner would w= ork.=A0 Yes it does!=A0 I tried it and it=A0worked great!=A0 I used two dif= ferent brands (with different chemical compounds) and both worked like a ch= amp.=A0 It took a few applications to get through the really thick stuff, a= nd I suggest you protect the bearings, but this worked better than using Co= astal Power Clean as I did when cleaning up my first engine.=A0 Using oven = cleaner, I got all three rotors cleaned up in a couple of hours time.=A0 = =A0Just don't breath the fumes, get it on your skin, or in your eyes!
=A0
Mark S.
=A0


=A0
On Fri, Nov 6, 2009 at 1:01 AM, George Lendich <= span dir=3D"ltr"><lendich@aanet.= com.au> wrote:
Mark,
I believe Pl was advised of these prop= er measurements, but ignored them. It may be he refused to believe that he = was wrong. Sure as hell beats stretching them on a board, the right size po= ps directly into place. The beauty of fractional fittings.
George (down under)
George,
=A0
My research and measurments confirm these dimensions.=A0 Thanks for th= e info.
=A0
Mark=A0

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 6:59 PM, George Lendich <= span dir=3D"ltr"><lendich@aanet.com.au> wrote:
=A0
=A0Mark,
Kelly Troyer, sent some end housings to Jef= f Chrysler of Creavey, to make absolutely sure of sizing. Jeff promised me = that he would hold a record of the proper size for all Mazda Rotary request= s.
=A0
The sizes ID by Jeff where as you have stat= ed.for the oil seals -=A0and=A0 Coolant seals are
PFA-Sil=A0=A0 0.093 section 11.190=A0 inch = ID
PFA-Sil=A0=A0 0.093 section=A0=A0 8.950 inc= h ID
HTH
George (down under)
=A0
=A0
Paul,
=A0
I'm sending this to you "private" so as not to confuse e= veryone with a bunch of dimensions that may, or may not, turn out to be cor= rect.=A0 I spoke with Jeff today thinking that he would be able to verify t= he correct sizes and he doesn't have those dimensions.
=A0
Looking through my archives, I found an old email stating that I initi= ally used the 11.340" dimension, but it turned out to be too large and= I=A0had to send it back to have it re-sized to 11.230" which worked p= erfectly (didn't require stretching) and=A0laid in the groove very nice= ly.
=A0
<snip>

I found my receipt from Creavy Seal Co.=A0 Unfortuna= tely, it is only for one coolant seal, and both oil seals.=A0

=A0

As for the outer coolant seal=85 Originally I ordere= d a set of SIL .093 =96 11.340 ID o-rings.=A0 These proved to be too big an= d I had to send them back.=A0 Note that 11.340 minus .090 is 11.230=85 the = correct size.=A0 I had given them a size based on CL, not ID.=A0 So, be sur= e you=92re on the same page when ordering these things.=A0 After a few emai= ls to Jeff Chrysler, we got it right on the re-order with these numbers=85 = SIL .093 =96 11.230. These fit perfectly.=A0 I can find no records f= or what I ordered on the inner coolant seals.=A0 Here is an email I sent to= Jeff Chrysler at Creavy Seal after fit-checking the new outer coolant o-ri= ngs.

=A0

Attn:=A0 Jeff Chrysler

=A0

Hi Jeff,

The reworked TES o-rings fit perfect.= =A0 Final dimension for the outer coolant o-rings is .093 x 11.230" ID= .=A0 Thank you so much for all your help.=A0 I can start putting my engine = back together now.=A0 I have passed this information along to Paul Lamar as= well.=A0 This size should work for all 13B and 20B engines, but you may wa= nt to verify size before using it for the new Renesis engines.=A0

=A0

Thanks again for your assistance,

Mark Steitle

=A0

The information for the two oil seals are SIL .093 = =96 4.680 ID, and SIL .118 =96 4.330 ID.

<snip>

=A0
Using your example of how to measure and calculate=A0the coolant o-rin= g dimensions, I ran the numbers and came up with 11.182" for the outer= coolant o-ring.=A0 Based on this info, I order based on the 11.230" d= imension for the outer o-ring.=A0 I'll let you know how it works out.
=A0
All of the other dims agree with my numbers.
=A0
Thanks,
Mark=A0=A0=A0
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