X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from poplet2.per.eftel.com ([203.24.100.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c1) with ESMTP id 3950601 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 06 Nov 2009 02:01:55 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=203.24.100.45; envelope-from=lendich@aanet.com.au Received: from sv1-1.aanet.com.au (sv1-1.per.aanet.com.au [203.24.100.68]) by poplet2.per.eftel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA2FE1737BF for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:01:14 +0800 (WST) Received: from ownerf1fc517b8 (203.171.92.134.static.rev.aanet.com.au [203.171.92.134]) by sv1-1.aanet.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id D6EA0BEC01C for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 15:01:12 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: PRIVATE - TES O-Ring Dimensions Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 17:01:13 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA5F02.BF582A40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091106-0, 11/06/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA5F02.BF582A40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, I believe Pl was advised of these proper measurements, but ignored them. = It may be he refused to believe that he was wrong. Sure as hell beats = stretching them on a board, the right size pops directly into place. The = beauty of fractional fittings. George (down under) George,=20 My research and measurments confirm these dimensions. Thanks for the = info. Mark =20 On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 6:59 PM, George Lendich = wrote: Mark, Kelly Troyer, sent some end housings to Jeff Chrysler of Creavey, = to make absolutely sure of sizing. Jeff promised me that he would hold a = record of the proper size for all Mazda Rotary requests. The sizes ID by Jeff where as you have stated.for the oil seals - = and Coolant seals are PFA-Sil 0.093 section 11.190 inch ID PFA-Sil 0.093 section 8.950 inch ID HTH George (down under) Paul,=20 I'm sending this to you "private" so as not to confuse everyone = with a bunch of dimensions that may, or may not, turn out to be correct. = I spoke with Jeff today thinking that he would be able to verify the = correct sizes and he doesn't have those dimensions. Looking through my archives, I found an old email stating that I = initially used the 11.340" dimension, but it turned out to be too large = and I had to send it back to have it re-sized to 11.230" which worked = perfectly (didn't require stretching) and laid in the groove very = nicely. I found my receipt from Creavy Seal Co. Unfortunately, it is only = for one coolant seal, and both oil seals. =20 As for the outer coolant seal=85 Originally I ordered a set of SIL = .093 =96 11.340 ID o-rings. These proved to be too big and I had to = send them back. Note that 11.340 minus .090 is 11.230=85 the correct = size. I had given them a size based on CL, not ID. So, be sure = you=92re on the same page when ordering these things. After a few = emails to Jeff Chrysler, we got it right on the re-order with these = numbers=85 SIL .093 =96 11.230. These fit perfectly. I can find no = records for what I ordered on the inner coolant seals. Here is an email = I sent to Jeff Chrysler at Creavy Seal after fit-checking the new outer = coolant o-rings. Attn: Jeff Chrysler Hi Jeff, The reworked TES o-rings fit perfect. Final dimension for the = outer coolant o-rings is .093 x 11.230" ID. Thank you so much for all = your help. I can start putting my engine back together now. I have = passed this information along to Paul Lamar as well. This size should = work for all 13B and 20B engines, but you may want to verify size before = using it for the new Renesis engines. =20 Thanks again for your assistance, Mark Steitle The information for the two oil seals are SIL .093 =96 4.680 ID, = and SIL .118 =96 4.330 ID. Using your example of how to measure and calculate the coolant = o-ring dimensions, I ran the numbers and came up with 11.182" for the = outer coolant o-ring. Based on this info, I order based on the 11.230" = dimension for the outer o-ring. I'll let you know how it works out. All of the other dims agree with my numbers. Thanks, Mark =20 ------=_NextPart_000_000F_01CA5F02.BF582A40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark,
I believe Pl was advised of these = proper=20 measurements, but ignored them. It may be he refused to believe that he = was=20 wrong. Sure as hell beats stretching them on a board, the right size = pops=20 directly into place. The beauty of fractional fittings.
George (down under)
George,
 
My research and measurments confirm these dimensions.  = Thanks for=20 the info.
 
Mark 

On Thu, Nov 5, 2009 at 6:59 PM, George = Lendich <lendich@aanet.com.au> = wrote:
 
 Mark,
Kelly Troyer, sent some end = housings to Jeff=20 Chrysler of Creavey, to make absolutely sure of sizing. Jeff = promised me=20 that he would hold a record of the proper size for all Mazda = Rotary=20 requests.
 
The sizes ID by Jeff where as you = have=20 stated.for the oil seals - and  Coolant seals are
PFA-Sil   0.093 section=20 11.190  inch ID
PFA-Sil   0.093=20 section   8.950 inch ID
HTH
George (down under)
 
 
Paul,
 
I'm sending this to you "private" so as not to confuse = everyone with=20 a bunch of dimensions that may, or may not, turn out to be = correct. =20 I spoke with Jeff today thinking that he would be able to verify = the=20 correct sizes and he doesn't have those dimensions.
 
Looking through my archives, I found an old email stating = that I=20 initially used the 11.340" dimension, but it turned out to be too = large=20 and I had to send it back to have it re-sized to 11.230" = which worked=20 perfectly (didn't require stretching) and laid in the groove = very=20 nicely.
 
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I found my receipt from = Creavy Seal=20 Co.  Unfortunately, it is only for one coolant seal, and both = oil=20 seals. 

 

As for the outer coolant = seal=85=20 Originally I ordered a set of SIL .093 =96 11.340 ID = o-rings.  These=20 proved to be too big and I had to send them back.  Note that = 11.340=20 minus .090 is 11.230=85 the correct size.  I had given them a = size=20 based on CL, not ID.  So, be sure you=92re on the same page = when=20 ordering these things.  After a few emails to Jeff Chrysler, = we got=20 it right on the re-order with these numbers=85 SIL .093 =96 = 11.230.=20 These fit perfectly.  I can find no records for what I = ordered on the=20 inner coolant seals.  Here is an email I sent to Jeff = Chrysler at=20 Creavy Seal after fit-checking the new outer coolant = o-rings.

 

Attn:  Jeff = Chrysler

 

Hi = Jeff,

The reworked TES = o-rings fit=20 perfect.  Final dimension for the outer coolant o-rings is = .093 x=20 11.230" ID.  Thank you so much for all your help.  I can = start=20 putting my engine back together now.  I have passed this = information=20 along to Paul Lamar as well.  This size should work for all = 13B and=20 20B engines, but you may want to verify size before using it for = the new=20 Renesis engines. 

 

Thanks again for = your=20 assistance,

Mark = Steitle

 

The information for the two = oil seals=20 are SIL .093 =96 4.680 ID, and SIL .118 =96 4.330 ID.

<snip>

 
Using your example of how to measure and calculate the = coolant=20 o-ring dimensions, I ran the numbers and came up with 11.182" for = the=20 outer coolant o-ring.  Based on this info, I order based on = the=20 11.230" dimension for the outer o-ring.  I'll let you know = how it=20 works out.
 
All of the other dims agree with my numbers.
 
Thanks,
=
Mark   

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