X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from poplet2.per.eftel.com ([203.24.100.45] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.3c1) with ESMTP id 3950262 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:00:10 -0500 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=203.24.100.45; envelope-from=lendich@aanet.com.au Received: from sv1-1.aanet.com.au (sv1-1.per.aanet.com.au [203.24.100.68]) by poplet2.per.eftel.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EF9017359C for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:59:35 +0800 (WST) Received: from ownerf1fc517b8 (203.171.92.134.static.rev.aanet.com.au [203.171.92.134]) by sv1-1.aanet.com.au (Postfix) with SMTP id B7329BEC01A for ; Fri, 6 Nov 2009 08:59:12 +0800 (WST) Message-ID: <71D13F8807854E4A8D80B67511BF2261@ownerf1fc517b8> From: "George Lendich" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] PRIVATE - TES O-Ring Dimensions Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2009 10:59:13 +1000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA5ED0.2D21AA70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5843 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 091105-2, 11/05/2009), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA5ED0.2D21AA70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark, Kelly Troyer, sent some end housings to Jeff Chrysler of Creavey, to = make absolutely sure of sizing. Jeff promised me that he would hold a = record of the proper size for all Mazda Rotary requests. The sizes ID by Jeff where as you have stated.for the oil seals - and = Coolant seals are PFA-Sil 0.093 section 11.190 inch ID PFA-Sil 0.093 section 8.950 inch ID HTH George (down under) Paul,=20 I'm sending this to you "private" so as not to confuse everyone with a = bunch of dimensions that may, or may not, turn out to be correct. I = spoke with Jeff today thinking that he would be able to verify the = correct sizes and he doesn't have those dimensions. Looking through my archives, I found an old email stating that I = initially used the 11.340" dimension, but it turned out to be too large = and I had to send it back to have it re-sized to 11.230" which worked = perfectly (didn't require stretching) and laid in the groove very = nicely. I found my receipt from Creavy Seal Co. Unfortunately, it is only for = one coolant seal, and both oil seals. =20 As for the outer coolant seal=85 Originally I ordered a set of SIL = .093 =96 11.340 ID o-rings. These proved to be too big and I had to = send them back. Note that 11.340 minus .090 is 11.230=85 the correct = size. I had given them a size based on CL, not ID. So, be sure = you=92re on the same page when ordering these things. After a few = emails to Jeff Chrysler, we got it right on the re-order with these = numbers=85 SIL .093 =96 11.230. These fit perfectly. I can find no = records for what I ordered on the inner coolant seals. Here is an email = I sent to Jeff Chrysler at Creavy Seal after fit-checking the new outer = coolant o-rings. Attn: Jeff Chrysler Hi Jeff, The reworked TES o-rings fit perfect. Final dimension for the outer = coolant o-rings is .093 x 11.230" ID. Thank you so much for all your = help. I can start putting my engine back together now. I have passed = this information along to Paul Lamar as well. This size should work for = all 13B and 20B engines, but you may want to verify size before using it = for the new Renesis engines. =20 Thanks again for your assistance, Mark Steitle The information for the two oil seals are SIL .093 =96 4.680 ID, and = SIL .118 =96 4.330 ID. Using your example of how to measure and calculate the coolant o-ring = dimensions, I ran the numbers and came up with 11.182" for the outer = coolant o-ring. Based on this info, I order based on the 11.230" = dimension for the outer o-ring. I'll let you know how it works out. All of the other dims agree with my numbers. Thanks, Mark ------=_NextPart_000_0016_01CA5ED0.2D21AA70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 Mark,
Kelly Troyer, sent some end housings = to Jeff=20 Chrysler of Creavey, to make absolutely sure of sizing. Jeff promised = me that=20 he would hold a record of the proper size for all Mazda Rotary = requests.
 
The sizes ID by Jeff where as you have = stated.for the oil seals - and  Coolant seals are
PFA-Sil   0.093 section = 11.190 =20 inch ID
PFA-Sil   0.093 = section  =20 8.950 inch ID
HTH
George (down under)
 
 
Paul,
 
I'm sending this to you "private" so as not to confuse everyone = with a=20 bunch of dimensions that may, or may not, turn out to be = correct.  I=20 spoke with Jeff today thinking that he would be able to verify the = correct=20 sizes and he doesn't have those dimensions.
 
Looking through my archives, I found an old email stating that I=20 initially used the 11.340" dimension, but it turned out to be too = large and=20 I had to send it back to have it re-sized to 11.230" which worked = perfectly (didn't require stretching) and laid in the groove very = nicely.
 
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I=20 found my receipt from Creavy Seal Co.  Unfortunately, it is only = for one=20 coolant seal, and both oil seals. 

 

As for=20 the outer coolant seal=85 Originally I ordered a set of SIL .093 =96 = 11.340 ID=20 o-rings.  These proved to be too big and I had to send them = back. =20 Note that 11.340 minus .090 is 11.230=85 the correct size.  I had = given=20 them a size based on CL, not ID.  So, be sure you=92re on the = same page=20 when ordering these things.  After a few emails to Jeff Chrysler, = we got=20 it right on the re-order with these numbers=85 SIL .093 =96 = 11.230. These=20 fit perfectly.  I can find no records for what I ordered on the = inner=20 coolant seals.  Here is an email I sent to Jeff Chrysler at = Creavy Seal=20 after fit-checking the new outer coolant o-rings.

 

Attn:  Jeff Chrysler

 

Hi Jeff,

The reworked TES o-rings fit perfect.  = Final=20 dimension for the outer coolant o-rings is .093 x 11.230" ID.  = Thank you=20 so much for all your help.  I can start putting my engine back = together=20 now.  I have passed this information along to Paul Lamar as = well. =20 This size should work for all 13B and 20B engines, but you may want to = verify=20 size before using it for the new Renesis engines. 

 

Thanks again for your assistance,

Mark Steitle

 

The=20 information for the two oil seals are SIL .093 =96 4.680 ID, and SIL = .118 =96=20 4.330 ID.

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Using your example of how to measure and calculate the = coolant=20 o-ring dimensions, I ran the numbers and came up with 11.182" for the = outer=20 coolant o-ring.  Based on this info, I order based on the 11.230" = dimension for the outer o-ring.  I'll let you know how it works=20 out.
 
All of the other dims agree with my numbers.
 
Thanks,
Mark   
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