X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from fmailhost03.isp.att.net ([204.127.217.103] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.16) with ESMTP id 3903574 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:40:19 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=204.127.217.103; envelope-from=bbradburry@bellsouth.net Received: from desktop (adsl-210-52-137.mco.bellsouth.net[68.210.52.137]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc03) with SMTP id <20091029033944H0300s2q4re>; Thu, 29 Oct 2009 03:39:45 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [68.210.52.137] From: "Bill Bradburry" To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] Re: MCT values in the 0-63 area of the EC-2 Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 23:39:46 -0400 Message-ID: <6C417BEBDD3D43E7A08A08FBF4AE78CB@Desktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA5827.EF2F3E20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcpYRUgn//2MEAyCRFihaAKIn5xLzwAAOzoQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA5827.EF2F3E20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tracy, I think I didn't explain what I am seeing properly. The addresses 0-63 should have associated with them two items. (I think) The manifold pressure that is associated with each address and the mixture correction that is associated with that address and manifold pressure. My table for addresses 0-63 ALL have a manifold pressure of ZERO associated with them. The mixture correction for each address varies, mostly zero, but not all. It is the manifold pressures that are all zero! Shouldn't they have either manifold pressures or perhaps RPMs listed?? On the addresses 64-127, the manifold pressures start at 10.0 and increase by .5 with each additional address. Not so with the earlier addresses. I think this is not correct, but I don't think there is any way that I can affect the manifold pressure indications. Since the EC-2 can flip back and forth between the high and low addresses at the same manifold pressures but different rpms, several folks have reported having to ensure that the corrections were similar at the two locations. I intended to verify that they were similar, but since I don't have the manifold pressures in the table at the low addresses, I don't know how I would compare them. But more than that, I don't understand how the EC-2 could know what manifold pressure the lower address corresponds to and therefore which correction it should apply. Perhaps it only looks for +/- 13 inches to go to addresses above or below 31? But then, wouldn't it need an RPM in each address to determine the correction??? Bill B _____ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Tracy Crook Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:09 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: MCT values in the 0-63 area of the EC-2 The default values in the table are supposed to be all zeros. There is a conceptual misunderstanding about these values in your question. It is not the Data that corresponds to the manifold pressure, it is the address. The data is a correction value for the corresponding manifold pressure. The values can be from -127 to + 127 with negative values causing the mixture to be adjusted leaner and positive values richer. Does that help? Tracy On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Bill Bradburry wrote: Tracy is back! What about this question, Tracy? The below from a previous email. Now I have more questions. I went over and copied down the information in my MAP table today. I was surprised to learn that the manifold pressures for all addresses from 0 to 63 were set to Zero. I expected to find actual manifold pressures in there. Starting with addresses 64 through 127 the manifold pressures increase from 10.0 at address 64 in 0.5 inch increments all the way to 41.8 inches at address 127. My engine is naturally aspirated, so the manifold pressures above about 30 or 31 will never be used. I understand that the 0 to 31 addresses are used when the RPM is below 2500 and the manifold pressure is below 13 inches, and that the addresses from 32 to 63 are used when the RPM is between 2500 and 3800 and the manifold pressure is above 13 inches. But I still don't understand how the controller would know which address to use with no manifold pressures entered in the table. Tracy is this is OK? Will these pressures be added when the engine is ran?? Bill B ------=_NextPart_000_0012_01CA5827.EF2F3E20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Tracy,

I think I didn’t explain what I am seeing = properly.

The addresses 0-63 should have associated with them two items. = (I think)

 The manifold pressure that is associated with each address = and the mixture correction that is associated with that address and manifold pressure. 

My table for addresses 0-63 ALL have a manifold pressure of ZERO associated with them.  The mixture correction for each address = varies, mostly zero, but not all.

It is the manifold pressures that are all zero!  = Shouldn’t they have either manifold pressures or perhaps RPMs = listed??

On the addresses 64-127, the manifold pressures start at 10.0 = and increase by .5 with each additional address.  Not so with the = earlier addresses.  I think this is not correct, but I don’t think = there is any way that I can affect the manifold pressure = indications.

 

Since the EC-2 can flip back and forth between the high and low addresses at the same manifold pressures but different rpms, several = folks have reported having to ensure that the corrections were similar at the two locations.  I intended to verify that they were similar, but since = I don’t have the manifold pressures in the table at the low addresses, I = don’t know how I would compare them.  But more than that, I don’t = understand how the EC-2 could know what manifold pressure the lower address = corresponds to and therefore which correction it should = apply.

Perhaps it only looks for +/- 13 inches to go to addresses above = or below 31?  But then, wouldn’t it need an RPM in each address = to determine the correction???

 

Bill B

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Tracy Crook
Sent: Wednesday, October = 28, 2009 11:09 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = MCT values in the 0-63 area of the EC-2

The default = values in the table are supposed to be all zeros.  There is a conceptual misunderstanding about these values in your question.  It is not = the Data that corresponds to the manifold pressure, it is the address.  The = data is a correction value for the corresponding manifold pressure.  The = values can be from -127 to + 127  with negative values causing the mixture = to be adjusted leaner and positive values richer.

Does that help?

Tracy

On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Bill Bradburry <bbradburry@bellsouth.net>= wrote:

 Tracy is = back!  What about this question, Tracy?

 

The = below from a previous email…

 

Now I = have more questions.  I went over and copied down the information in my MAP = table today.  I was surprised to learn that the manifold pressures for = all addresses from 0 to 63 were set to Zero.  I expected to find actual manifold pressures in there.  Starting with addresses 64 through = 127 the manifold pressures increase from 10.0 at address 64 in 0.5 inch = increments all the way to 41.8 inches at address 127.  My engine is naturally = aspirated, so the manifold pressures above about 30 or 31 will never be used.  = I understand that the 0 to 31 addresses are used when the RPM is below = 2500 and the manifold pressure is below 13 inches, and that the addresses from 32 to = 63 are used when the RPM is between 2500 and 3800 and the manifold pressure is = above 13 inches.  But I still don’t understand how the controller = would know which address to use with no manifold pressures entered in the table.  Tracy is this is OK?  Will these pressures be added when the engine is = ran??

 

Bill = B

 

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