Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #4889
From: <Lehanover@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Emailing: Ed-Klepeis
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 16:48:38 EST
To: <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
In a message dated 12/22/2003 9:42:38 AM Central Standard Time,
sqpilot@earthlink.net writes:

<< Hi, Lynn and thanks for the response.  Any idea what type of decibels the
 rotary would produce without a muffler, ie....straight pipes?  I don't know
 what the spintech muffler DB measures behind Tracy Crook's aircraft.  Still
 searching for a muffler that will stand up to the heat and pluses of a
 rotary. Since I have a pusher, I don't want things coming out of the
 muffler, as they would go through my prop. Not a nice thing.  Thanks again.
 Paul Conner




There may not be a scale that goes that high. We added a muffler before it
was required. It is so loud that the driver cannot think. It is not only way too
loud, it is not a good sound like a Chevy V-8. It is an obnoxious sound that
nobody likes.

The Spintech and Flowmaster both seem to work well. Some schemes, where the
pulse is broken up as in case of the Spintech, or split into two parts and
directed against itself as in the Flowmaster work the best.

In a short system, there is no room for a muffler that can readily
disintegrate.
So that leaves out the Flowmaster because I know they will disintegrate. They
are flat sided and tend to melt and be hammered to pieces when close to the
rotary engine.

The Spintech should work better even though it is flat sided, each fin set is
welded to the sides, so it should stay together for some time. The
homogenizing mufflers look interesting, but would eliminate any tuning effect if the
header is not collected before entering the muffler.

I would build a combination of both the Flowmaster with a thick walled
splitter in the front of the chamber, and then the turning vanes of the Spintech,
all in stainless.

I would design a system with the idea in mind that every single part is, at
one time or another, going to burn through at the worst possible location and
time, and after doing the greatest amount of damage, will fall out and go
through the propeller arc, striking every blade.

If you stress any metal while it is at a very high temperature, it will fail
sooner than at any lower temperature.

So, the engine would have short stainless stacks. One slip jointed down tube
would have the collector welded to it. One side of the collector would have
another slip joint for the second down tube. This so no stress could be applied
to the engine or the collector.

 Each slip joint would have a stiff spring on each side pulling the joint
together and overlapped tabs with a hole through both, with a loose cotter pin or
nut and bolt, just in case both springs break. The tabs for the springs would
have a safety wire hole close to the spring mounting hole, so that a doubled
run of loose safety wire can run through the center of the spring for when it
breaks, so the pieces cannot escape.  

The muffler would be mounted stiff to the engine mount. A flex joint at the
muffler "in" junction and the flex joint at the collector would give enough
movement for the engine to flex about in the mounts without overstressing the
exhaust system tubes or junctions. Another flex joint at Muffler out, and a stiff
hung tail pipe mounted to the engine mount.  Every piece should have two tabs
with a safety wire hole, so that a double strand of loosely strung safety
wire could be installed the retain the piece inside the cowl no matter what has
gone wrong. Not to another exhaust system part, but to the engine mount, or the
engine proper.

Tracy has some numbers on his Spintech, and I think he says the wind noise is
louder in some situations than the engine. Check out the radiant energy being
given off by this system. (See picture.) This can set stuff on fire that is
over 1 foot away.

Lynn E. Hanover  
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