Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #48884
From: MONTY ROBERTS <montyr2157@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Prop Loads
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 11:49:48 -0500
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Greg et Al, ;-)
 
Being nothing more than a big fan a prop roughly follows the fan laws.
 
Flow varies directly with RPM
Pressure varies with the square of RPM
Power varies with the cube of RPM
 
I say roughly because a prop is not a "perfect fluid machine" and therefore these rules do not apply when the prop is stalled or when the tips start to go transonic. The efficiency of the blades also changes with varying Re Number so this affects things a bit. This also only applies to fixed pitch props.
 
Tune the engine on the dyno, the dyno operator should know how. Develop your fuel map for that. Then select your prop to absorb the desired hp at the desired rpm based on the dyno runs and your airframe performance and flight level. Fine tune in flight.
 
Airplanes are different because of the vast range of air density encountered in operation. Short of a air brake dyno in an altitude chamber, you are going to have to live with this.
 
In an airplane with a fixed pitch prop, the engine will never see full SL power, unless you use a climb prop and fly lower than 1000 ft all the time towing banners at WOT. The prop will limit power output for takeoff and climb. By the time the airplane is flying fast enough to absorb full power in level flight, you will be at 75% of 75% SL WOT power and a low air density. Typically operating at about a 50% or less duty cycle compared to WOT SL performance. Boats at SL are much harder on engines than airplanes. 
 
If you have a turbo, and a CS prop, none of this really applies and you are going to have a thermodynamic adventure.
 
YMMV
 
Monty
----- Original Message -----
From: Al Gietzen
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2009 11:56 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Prop Loads

Greg;

 

I had the same dilemma when running my engine on the dyno.

 

The primary reason I wanted to simulate a prop load so I could do tuning of the EC2 on the dyno.  But that never happened.  I generated an approximate prop load curve but could never follow it – IIRC, it was because you can’t set the load, and there is more than one RPM/MAP combination for a given load.  Dyno work is basically about generating WOT HP and torque curves. You set the mixture according to the A/F ratio.  And you always learn some other things along the way – flow rates, EGTs, fuel burn, etc.

 

And Gary, I don’t think prop load varies as the square of the rpm – does it?  I think some aspects, like thrust, go as the square; but the drag goes more like the cube.  I generated one both ways, and neither is the real world.

 

Al G

 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Greg Ward
Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 6:43 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Prop Loads

 

Hey Troops;

Finally in the dyno room building the mount plate to begin testing.  Tracy says that the engine should be tested with the prop on, and this is kind of hard in a dyno room.  We are mounting the engine without the PSRU, so that we don't tear it up in testing, and instead hooking directly to the shaft which is loaded by means of a water brake.  We can put any load on it that we want, problem is, how to calculate that prop load in foot-pounds, at different settings.  Talked to Craig Cato, and he is leaving for Europe, so doesn't have time to run the calcs, and I am just a dumb high country nail-banger.  Any thoughts?

Greg Ward

Lancair 20B N178RG in progress



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