Return-Path: Received: from [24.25.9.102] (HELO ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 2901213 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:12:57 -0500 Received: from o7y6b5 (clt78-020.carolina.rr.com [24.93.78.20]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.southeast.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id hBMKClow017081 for ; Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:12:52 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <001901c3c8c7$92de5fc0$1702a8c0@WorkGroup> From: "Ed Anderson" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Dumb intake question Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2003 15:09:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 > > > > So there is a tuning effect from EDDIE and from FAW. Are they the same thing, or can they be combined for an additive effect? If the could be combined, would it be called the FEDDIE? EDDIEFAW? FADDIE? > > Actually, the effect from EDDIE is based on the FAW. The EDDIE is just one particular application of using the FAW Pulse. There appear to be basically two interdependent tuning approaches - one using the inertia or momentum of the (subsonic) air mass and the other the kinetic energy of the sonic FAW pulse. Most schools of tuning are based on some combination, variant, or misunderstood distortion of those two approaches. The FAW pulse rides the air flow which can be quite fast say around 300-400ft/sec in some intakes or approaching Mach 0.2. The speed of the FAW pulse can be supersonic (well it doesn't quite make it) rather it can create sonic shockwaves in the intake if the pulse is going in the direction of the air flow. The FAW pulse will on the otherhand be considerable slower Mach1 - Mach 0.2 against the flow. This difference can be particularly great in the exhaust system with higher gas velocities. It probably should be considered in the calculation of runner length. But, then that would depend if you Pulse travels both ways then the speed of the pulse probably averages close enough to Mach 1 over that relative short distance not to bother about. In the case of the EDDIE the FAW pulse travels upstream against the incoming flow for 1/2 its trip then down stream with the air flow for the other 1/2 of its trip, so again the average is probably close enough to Mach1 to ignore. Actually I calculated about an 2.6" difference for the average speed FAW vs the Mach 1 speed at 6000 rpm. So at higher RPMs it may be something to take into consideration, but at the lower RPMs your manifold temps uncertainty/changes can swamp that factor. So it is correct to state that its an EDDIE FAW or a ED FAW DIE perhaps an EDFAWDIE FWIW Ed Anderson